Fox pens

[ITRAPGAK9]

I dont know how many of you guys on this site sell your coyotes on the live market, I have and I know several people that have. Id like to point something out to all of you, say you are a weekend trapper mabe you catch 12 coyotes a season this is just a round number to use, now figure most of you are weekend trappers just under 800 license sold last year. So say 600 weekend trappers out of that 250 weekend trappers selling 12 coyotes a season to the pens at a price of $50 each thats 3000 yotes being sold for less than half price to roughly 60 pens in ga. You weekend trappers are flooding the market and cutting everyones throat, If we as trappers all band together and stand firm on a fair price of no less than $100 than we would all get $100. Im tired of the fox pen setting the price for our efforts. We are the ones doing the work trapping them we need to be the ones setting the price. Yall help us all out!!

[deadgame]

Amen n amen

[joshsanders]

Have they already cut the price at the pens you sell to

[treemanjohn]

That's how the free market works. Would you prefer a commie system?

[ITRAPGAK9]

Originally Posted by treemanjohn

That's how the free market works. Would you prefer a commie system?

I was expecting some stupid resposes, what a surprise!!!

[quackhead87]

I agree 100%. Good Luck Trapping to all!

[treemanjohn]

Originally Posted by ITRAPGAK9

I was expecting some stupid resposes, what a surprise!!!

What's stupid about the response? You set your price and the pen sets their price. That's the free market. If they offer $50 don't sell them.

I don't have a dog in the hunt. I don't trap

[zeke392]

Originally Posted by treemanjohn

What's stupid about the response? You set your price and the pen sets their price. That's the free market. If they offer $50 don't sell them.

I don't have a dog in the hunt. I don't trap

I think that is exactly what K9 is trying to say. All the trappers get together and establish a sale price and stick to it. If the pens don't want to pay it then don't sell to them. But if some people bow down to the pens and keep selling for way less than agreed to, it will never work

[buttplate]

K-9, I have had that exact thought. If I EVER DO figure out this thing called trapping my price will be the same as those who do this to make money. I do not need the $$ enough to cut the throats of those who are good enough to help me learn to be successful at something I am quickly growing to enjoy. I will be trying again the remainder of the week.

Thank you to all who have helped me to this point and count me in on sticking together.

[famlytraprz]

I'm on board!

[bigorsmallwantemall]

you are correct k-9. i wish you luck. i shot all i caught last year because my time and effort is worth way more than 50 dollars. i hope we can all get on the same page.

[tree cutter 08]

i dont trap but good luck with that. you just can't get everybody on the same page.

[buckdog1]

I agree but this is the same discussion that has been going on for several years. I quit selling to them last year because of those prices and i sold quite a few each year to several pens. I would rather take a loss trapping, than to sell at cutthroat prices but i do understand that one of the big pens has stood firm on $75 each this year, so far. Hope he keeps it going. I might just sell him a few this year.

[buttplate]

I understood that the bottom dollar was $100. is it $75 or $100?

[ITRAPGAK9]

$100 would be better, I dont sell any for less than $75. The pens want to pay $100 in Sep-Oct and then want to cut back to $40 and $50 the rest of the time, If they will pay $75 full time Ill sell to them.

[itsabouthuntin]

That's called "price fixing."

[ITRAPGAK9]

Originally Posted by itsabouthuntin

That's called "price fixing."

Refering to?

[USMC0321]

100 bucks is cheap if you figure all the work you put in. Wax, Dye, Lure, Gas, and of course Time.

[Marietta Mike]

Fair Market Value is defined as the agreed price between a willing buyer and a willing seller.

How to get to that price involves marketing.

Even illegal immigrants hanging around Home Depot are smart enough to learn that if they communicate with each other about the market value of the service they provide. That teaches the new kids on the block what to ask for when they get their chance.

If everybody trapping communicates what live coyotes are worth then it makes sense that anybody selling them would ask for what they are worth.

The opposite works for the buyers.

But behind all the marketing is reality. And like my accountant says "Reality is measured in dollars."

Dollars come from profit. Profit equals revenue less expenses.

Don't be surprised that the customers of the fox pens start buying or trapping their own coyotes to "cut out the middle man" and then we will really see how "money talks".

As for me the only reason I'm trapping coyotes is to try and do my part to keep the deer to coyote ratio equal or better than I found it. I'm figuring I need to exterminate at least four coyotes for every doe I harvest. That is based on coyotes having litters of four pups to does dropping one fawn. Adding that deer have other predators and cars killing them I think my target ratio is probably too low.

I predict coyote trapping will become part of all QDM hunting club programs within the next five years. Even if that means raising club dues in order to hire trappers.

Now that some of us are older, instead of "killing a commie for mommy!" let's

"Kill a coyote for Bambie!"

[gfbiv]

well im getting 200 for blacks and 150 for the rest. but also quality and gurantee has a lot to do with it. the price of gas and other things 50 to 100 was prices from the 90's when the florida pens were open...

[joshsanders]

gfbiv would you like to buy mine for $100 and my black ones for $150. You can resale them and make a nice profit. And do no work. I can bring you 20 at a time.

[famlytraprz]

Yes, me too! Make a profit and don't even have to catch the yotes, can't beat that! Come on Man!

[buckdog1]

Originally Posted by gfbiv

well im getting 200 for blacks and 150 for the rest. but also quality and gurantee has a lot to do with it. the price of gas and other things 50 to 100 was prices from the 90's when the florida pens were open...

I did sell a black one last year on taxidermy.net for $200 but i have to raise the B.S. flag on this, if you are telling me you are selling them to a pen for these prices. :nono:

[scoggins]

I fully agree but good luck with that.

If you can get everyone to comply/confor that idea you are one heck of salesman!

[ITRAPGAK9]

I also have to call :nono::nono:!!

[Throwback]

maybe the current price isn't so much too low as the old price was too high.



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[skeeter1]

i have always got 75 for them not gonna get much more for them, in this economy the pens will start shutin down i have hounds my self and run in a few of the pens in south east ga and they ain't that many left, one that was here a couple years back shut down shrank in size and is now a rabbit pen for beagles i only know of 4 in a 100 mile raidus, infact the whole fox pen deal is coming to an end , how many people you see talkin about them in the small game threads and the sporting dog threads , rabbits and coon is what will we have left before long , when this crap about the deer dogs started a few years back and thousands of clubs shut down ,cuase they didn't have a 1000 countinous acres , you know how many dog clubs was 900 acres and smaller, then they passed the law for private land 250 acres and leased 1000 , but by then it was to late for all the 1000 small clubs they were done gone , and how many farmers had land250 to 600 acres but none of it countinou s 250 acres and couldn't get a permit , its done they killed it , it want ever be the same in south ga !! and carolina is falling suit , i heard, i know all the big plantations over there and all the developing killed alot of deer dog hunting over there, not sure about other states

and most all fox pen runners dogs where deer dogs , they hunted deer with , 1000's of dogs sold , gave a way , put down , cause they had no where to hunt them , after this i call it blasphamey and the fall of a southern tradition, family sport , and a way of life, some call it change of times and rule's


thats what is going on with the pens , the pens don't make hardly no money , it only cost 5 $ a dog to run them in a pen , 10 dogs ain't but fifty bucks , and how it works , is there is only 7 days in a week ain't but so many people can go in one night , and every body gets a night of the week, for the whole year and some of the bigger pens they team up maybe 3 dog men run on the same night like they get it every thursday night, and some body gets another night , and if nobody gets the pen on there night then some body new might get to use for that night, and so own


the only time there is a pile of hounds at one time in the pen is a a trail and thats one day , spread out over a month, or maybe more, that you got a puppy trail at the begging of the year thats pretty big , but they money added up barly pays the property tax on the place, yall no what im sayin , then you got to buy fox and coyotes and keep feed , and fix fence , cause some got out if not all when storm came through and blew tree down over the fence and adaos!!


i see it from both sides of the fence, i know cost and work on both points , but we all have to work together trappers like me and fox pen owners and fox pen hunter s like me, or , there want be no need for you to trap them cause there want be nobody to buy them


unless you are like me and are gonna trap them just to try and put them on the endangerd species list that my goal i can't stand them , i will make money off of them either way , my wife can make you any kinda native american deal with coyote fur you can think of ,
but thats easy for us folks with that red skin if you know what i mean , but yall think about it and correct me where i am wrong!!

[Morgan89]

skeeters right.... fox pens have gone down the tube in a since.. i enjoyed it... but there ain't many people in the sport and its like every other sport.... you got people in it who push others away and people in it who bring folks into it.....

far as saling goes i trap yotes as well.. if i don't get what i want for it. i just don't sale it... the end