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Old 12-06-2011, 10:15 PM
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Default Interesting Vid - Girl pole axes elk at 688y with a 105g VLD in a .243 Win

No - I am not kidding. The person coaching her is John Burns the owner of GreyBullPrecision rifles. This guy has probably forgot more about shooting at long range than I could ever hope to know. I just thought many of you would be interested to see this video since half of you think a .243 Winchester will bounce of a puny little whitetail deer at 100 yards. This girl just dropped an animal larger than any whitetail deer in it's tracks at nearly 7 football fields away.





I'm not supporting or trashing THIS type of hunting or the skills required to make such a shot but I will say - awesome shot. I posted this simply to show you that with quality equipment and proper shot placement and the knowledge required to connect at that distance can produce spectacular results and that shot placement trumps horsepower every single time.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:20 PM
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Now that was something!
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daaaaannnnnnnnnggggggggg. Ive been wanting to start reloading for my 243. bought Barnes varmint gernades for coyotes, and thinking about ordering some TTSX's for deer.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:28 PM
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There's no way, that had to be atleast a 338 edge with 300gr bullet
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:36 PM
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WOW ....Thats like 2/5 of a mile ..

An it folded that elk up like a sack o taters !

Thanks for postin that .......pretty coool ;]
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:37 AM
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That gal knew exactly what to do when she proned out. Excellent shot.

The whole caliber debate is great for chatrooms and gun rags, but completely meaningless
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:55 AM
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what are the terminal numbers on that?
What you recon she was shooting weight wise?



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Old 12-07-2011, 06:01 AM
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That is quite an impressive shot. Sever the CNS and they drop quick.

I'm not sure I'd agree the caliber debate is meaningless. In a highly vulnerable spot like the CNS it doesn't take much to bring an animal down. In print where every shot's perfect that's one thing. Hit bone on a mature bull with that same set-up in timbered country, that's something else.
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she has a cross wind as well...
The rem calculator stops at 500y and the two bullets listed have terminal E between 700-745ft/lbs....
688y....

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It's easily possible if you don't have testosterone and ignorance retarding the rifle's, shooter's and bullet's performance.
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using: 2960f/s, 105g and coeff of guessing .373, 7mph xwind at 90(her vest flapping) at 30 degrees....

Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 2960 NaN 0 0 2043 0
50 2816 NaN 0.62 0.05 1849 0.46
100 2683 NaN 2.34 0.11 1678 0.92
150 2554 NaN 5.27 0.17 1521 1.71
200 2430 NaN 9.53 0.23 1377 2.85
250 2309 NaN 15.28 0.29 1243 4.35
300 2192 NaN 22.66 0.36 1120 6.26
350 2078 NaN 31.86 0.43 1007 8.59
400 1967 NaN 43.08 0.5 902 11.39
450 1861 NaN 56.54 0.58 808 14.69
500 1758 NaN 72.53 0.66 721 18.54
550 1660 NaN 91.33 0.75 642 22.96
600 1566 NaN 113.29 0.84 572 28
650 1478 NaN 138.79 0.94 509 33.71
700 1396 NaN 168.27 1.05 454 40.11

the round may have had less than 500 f/lbs.
the cross drift of possibly greater than 33ft!
http://www.handloads.com/calc/
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:33 AM
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That is quite an impressive shot. Sever the CNS and they drop quick.

I'm not sure I'd agree the caliber debate is meaningless. In a highly vulnerable spot like the CNS it doesn't take much to bring an animal down. In print where every shot's perfect that's one thing. Hit bone on a mature bull with that same set-up in timbered country, that's something else.
Nicely put!
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:45 AM
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This was provided on 24H Campfire, where the video now has around 200 responses.

Quote:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
At 688 yards, the 105 started at 3100 would be at 1900 fps....

Maybe at sea level.

Not much in WY under 5K ASL.

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Tabular trajectory data at Non-Std. Atmosphere
 Gunsite altitude : 5000 ft.
 Air density      : 0.065706 lb./ft³
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 Gun / Ammunition : 243 Win
 Bullet           : .243, 105, Berger VLD
 Bullet weight    : 105 grains or 6.80 Grams
 Muzzle velocity  : 3100 fps
 Crosswind speed  : 10 Mph 
 Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1): 
 C1=0.532@V>0 fps;


 Range  Velo Time of  Energy   Path    Deflection    Total  Sight correction  Target
        city  flight            to    at crosswind    drop   for setting new   lead
                                LOS    of 10.0 Mph             zero range     20 fps
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·Yards   fps     s    ft.lbs.   in.    in.     MOA     in.   Clicks     MOA     yds ·
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|    0  3100  0.0000   2240    -2.0    0.0   -----     0.0   ------    -----    0.00
X  100  2943  0.0992   2019     0.0    0.4    0.40     1.9      0.0     0.00    0.66
|  200  2791  0.2037   1816    -2.0    1.8    0.86     7.7     +2.8    +0.97    1.36
|  300  2645  0.3147   1631    -8.6    4.3    1.37    18.1     +8.0    +2.74    2.10
|  400  2503  0.4314   1461   -20.1    7.8    1.86    33.5    +14.0    +4.81    2.88
|  500  2366  0.5537   1305   -36.9   12.3    2.35    54.2    +20.5    +7.07    3.69
|  600  2233  0.6845   1163   -60.2   18.3    2.91    81.3    +27.9    +9.59    4.56
|  688  2120  0.8064   1048   -86.5   24.7    3.43   111.0    +34.9   +12.02    5.38
These two charts are a great example of how much difference there is in a good ballistic coefficient and an average bc once you exceed 300 yards.


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using: 2960f/s, 105g and coeff of guessing .373, 7mph xwind at 90(her vest flapping) at 30 degrees....

Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 2960 NaN 0 0 2043 0
50 2816 NaN 0.62 0.05 1849 0.46
100 2683 NaN 2.34 0.11 1678 0.92
150 2554 NaN 5.27 0.17 1521 1.71
200 2430 NaN 9.53 0.23 1377 2.85
250 2309 NaN 15.28 0.29 1243 4.35
300 2192 NaN 22.66 0.36 1120 6.26
350 2078 NaN 31.86 0.43 1007 8.59
400 1967 NaN 43.08 0.5 902 11.39
450 1861 NaN 56.54 0.58 808 14.69
500 1758 NaN 72.53 0.66 721 18.54
550 1660 NaN 91.33 0.75 642 22.96
600 1566 NaN 113.29 0.84 572 28
650 1478 NaN 138.79 0.94 509 33.71
700 1396 NaN 168.27 1.05 454 40.11

the round may have had less than 500 f/lbs.
the cross drift of possibly greater than 33ft!
http://www.handloads.com/calc/
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That is quite an impressive shot. Sever the CNS and they drop quick.

I'm not sure I'd agree the caliber debate is meaningless. In a highly vulnerable spot like the CNS it doesn't take much to bring an animal down. In print where every shot's perfect that's one thing. Hit bone on a mature bull with that same set-up in timbered country, that's something else.
Burns said the impact was high shoulder on 24H campfire, so I'd say it did hit bone. He also said he had another client that took her mature bull elk at 760 with a 105 Berger straight through the shoulder but he felt it was " getting out to edge of my comfort level with the combo."
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Watch very carefully just at the top of the "www." part of the web address on the screen at the 49 second mark. . I swear you can see the bullet trail and path....
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:06 AM
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Its very common to see that. It's fun shooting at that range and seeing the bullets path in a spotting scope or the scope itself with a low recoil rifle.
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She is tickled pink and rightly so. Thanks for sharing.
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Watch very carefully just at the top of the "www." part of the web address on the screen at the 49 second mark. . I swear you can see the bullet trail and path....


That is cool.
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It's easily possible if you don't have testosterone and ignorance retarding the rifle's, shooter's and bullet's performance.
Amazing how often those two go hand in hand.
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Burns said the impact was high shoulder on 24H campfire, so I'd say it did hit bone. He also said he had another client that took her mature bull elk at 760 with a 105 Berger straight through the shoulder but he felt it was " getting out to edge of my comfort level with the combo."
Fair enough. If heavy bone is that easy to break I guess that ends the debate about needing Barnes to break stuff on big animals with light bullets...sorry I couldn't resist
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That bullets coef. is .532?
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Watch very carefully just at the top of the "www." part of the web address on the screen at the 49 second mark. . I swear you can see the bullet trail and path....
You can. When you spot for someone on long range shots you can watch the bullet path to target. Cool stuff.
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http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/69095-1.html

.486...

.532 does bring it to the posted ft/lbs...but the sales ad at CTD put it under 1k.
and then a second girl does it a 760y....." getting out to edge of my comfort level with the combo."

I think I would have been getting out mine before 688!
Would I take a shot at the same animal at 190y w/ a 3030?
I don't think so. I was trying to rationalize such a long shot w/ what the bullet has to deliver by the end of the trip and compare it to something that gets dredged around...
From what I see this is comparable...but w/ a bigger animal than the white tail that is often purportedly impervious....to a 3030 at 100y much less than longer than that! (170g @200 is 980)

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Seaweaver,

I used Shane (MontanaMarine) numbers but verified it off Berger's page. http://www.bergerbullets.com/Product...20Bullets.html

The BC for the 105 VLD is .532
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that thing is more slippery than a suppository!
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