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Old 12-25-2011, 01:22 PM
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i have my opinion,now whats yours? what hounds are best for hunting bear/cougar/bobcat?
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Walkers. hands down. It's not an opinion. It's fact. The competitions all prove it. A walker dog is the best hound on the planet and the greatest friend in the world.
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Walkers. hands down. It's not an opinion. It's fact. The competitions all prove it. A walker dog is the best hound on the planet and the greatest friend in the world.
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The best hounds/dogs for hunting bear are good bear dogs. I've seen some good ones of every breed (even those overgrown beagles ) and mixture thereof. And I've seen a lot more worthless ones than good ones of all breeds. I'm kinda partial to Plotts myself, as I grew up hunting in the county where they originated. My dad used to do some bear hunting with Von Plott, Taylor Crockett, and some of that generation of bear hunters. The two best bear dogs I've ever personally been in the woods with were "Ol' Squirt," who was a black-backed, brindle-legged Plott, and "Ol' Red," a black-backed redbone cross of some sort, probably Plott/redbone. The three best bear dogs I ever owned myself were a bluetick/English/walker cross, a registered Plott gyp, and a Plott/bluetick cross.
As my dad, who spent his whole life following hounds of all sorts, used to say: "I don't care if it's purple and green polka-dotted and its ears grow out its arse, if it'll run and fight a bear, it's a bear dog. "
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I was half joking there but I do believe every word. Tons of dogs are fantastic hounds, but if you're picking a breed, Walkers are my favorite. I believe there's no difference in their trailing or treeing ability, but walkers will hunt harder and longer IMO.
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There is a place for several different types of dogs in a bear pack. I like a good nose for finding a bear, and Walkers do a good job at that for sure, as do other hounds. I also need trail and pack dogs that will run the bear and help out when its jumped. That job can be filled by a variety of breeds, Plotts, Walkers Redbones, blueticks etc. Then I like at least one or two good hair pullers. They convince the bear that its better to climb than to stay on the ground and fight. Plotts fill that roll nicely, as does my American Leopard Hound, and I've seen all breeds that can handle this job too. Bear hunting is a team sport for the hounds, and it takes all sorts to make it work. Just my 2 cents!
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Walkers. hands down. It's not an opinion. It's fact. The competitions all prove it. A walker dog is the best hound on the planet and the greatest friend in the world.
competition coon hunting and bear hunting are two very different things. just sayin. and has far as walkers being the BEST dogs on the planet... that can be YOUR opinion.. but it is sure not a fact..... yea they maybe be fast track dogs and stylish tree dogs... but they dont have the grit to catch fight and tree a mean bear..... if you wanna start a pack of bear dogs.. better get a plott!!!!!!!!
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competition coon hunting and bear hunting are two very different things. just sayin. and has far as walkers being the BEST dogs on the planet... that can be YOUR opinion.. but it is sure not a fact..... yea they maybe be fast track dogs and stylish tree dogs... but they dont have the grit to catch fight and tree a mean bear..... if you wanna start a pack of bear dogs.. better get a plott!!!!!!!!
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I saw a walker,redbone and bluetick tree one the other night. Have saw a good many treed actually. Never saw the first plor under one.
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Congrats on treeing a bear with your walker redbone and bluetick.... I'm sure your a coon hunter so I hope you beat your dogs for running trash!!! Come on up and I'll show a real bear dog tree a bear or a real coon dog tree a coon.... a real live raccoon......
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What other kinds of coons are they besides real live ones? You coon hunt plots to? I guess you hunt a lot alone.
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calm down fellas. NO ONE MENTIONED ENGLISH HOUNDS!!!!!!!!!! i hunt english!
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calm down fellas. NO ONE MENTIONED ENGLISH HOUNDS!!!!!!!!!! i hunt english!
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The best hounds/dogs for hunting bear are good bear dogs. I've seen some good ones of every breed (even those overgrown beagles ) and mixture thereof. And I've seen a lot more worthless ones than good ones of all breeds. I'm kinda partial to Plotts myself, as I grew up hunting in the county where they originated. My dad used to do some bear hunting with Von Plott, Taylor Crockett, and some of that generation of bear hunters. The two best bear dogs I've ever personally been in the woods with were "Ol' Squirt," who was a black-backed, brindle-legged Plott, and "Ol' Red," a black-backed redbone cross of some sort, probably Plott/redbone. The three best bear dogs I ever owned myself were a bluetick/English/walker cross, a registered Plott gyp, and a Plott/bluetick cross.
As my dad, who spent his whole life following hounds of all sorts, used to say: "I don't care if it's purple and green polka-dotted and its ears grow out its arse, if it'll run and fight a bear, it's a bear dog. "
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I am surprised no one mentioned Black Mouth Curs.
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Plotts are too ugly and mean for me. Check out what most of the western bear guides run....the guys who run bears for a living 4+ months of the year. Most are walkers with some blueticks thrown in.

It's a dumb argument. Everybody has a different opinion, but I bet if you took a poll of every houndsman in the country, walkers would get more than 50 percent of the vote.
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Not really interested in what 'most' bear guides run in the country. I run what works for me. Look what 'most' U.S citizens voted for in the last election. Nuff said. Here in the mountains and on the Eastern coast of NC, I see a bunch of different breeds being run on bear. They all have their purpose. Etter2, how many bear hounds you got? What are they?............
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Not really interested in what 'most' bear guides run in the country. I run what works for me. Look what 'most' U.S citizens voted for in the last election. Nuff said. Here in the mountains and on the Eastern coast of NC, I see a bunch of different breeds being run on bear. They all have their purpose. Etter2, how many bear hounds you got? What are they?............
Exactly......... I'm not gonna lie I'm a plott man..... But one of the top bear dogs I've seen was 3/4 plott and 1/4 English... It's all about traits and bloodlines.... The guy that started the post asked what the best hounds for BEAR HUNTING are....... Not coon hunting.....
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ima start some english, and B@T's on bear. as for now i will hunt Longshore plott hounds
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Not really interested in what 'most' bear guides run in the country. I run what works for me. Look what 'most' U.S citizens voted for in the last election. Nuff said. Here in the mountains and on the Eastern coast of NC, I see a bunch of different breeds being run on bear. They all have their purpose. Etter2, how many bear hounds you got? What are they?............
Don't have any bear dogs, but I do know dogs and have probably killed more bears than most folks on this board, and judging by your profile pic, you aint chasing anything over any mtns.
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i have seen good and bad in all breeds but perfer plotts
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i live in arkansas, we cant hunt bear with dogs, but i have treed 1 with hounds when i was hog hunting. i have had all breeds of hounds and still do. but as for gritt and hogs i love my plotts.
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Ask any man whats the best kind of dog for any thing and its the kind he has in the kennel right now.
Sort of like the most dangerous snake in the world (the one that just bit you) LOL
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the best dog is the one that will run the bear back to the truck and bay or tree him there
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Don't have any bear dogs, but I do know dogs and have probably killed more bears than most folks on this board, and judging by your profile pic, you aint chasing anything over any mtns.
Easy pal...... You say you don't have bear dogs but have killed more bear than most folks on here..... That may be true but again.... The guy plainly asks what's the best type of hound for BEAR HUNTING!!! I suggest you don't open your mouth unless you know what your talkin about.... Thanks.
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Easy pal...... You say you don't have bear dogs but have killed more bear than most folks on here..... That may be true but again.... The guy plainly asks what's the best type of hound for BEAR HUNTING!!! I suggest you don't open your mouth unless you know what your talkin about.... Thanks.
What makes you such an expert? How many REAL LIVE bears you treed this yr?
How many dog fights you had?
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What makes you such an expert? How many REAL LIVE bears you treed this yr?
How many dog fights you had?
Lol well I never thought I was an expert..... As far as dog fights.... None... Don't keep an ill dog and don't breed ill dogs... And we cull pretty heavy... If you know what I mean lol I hunt plotts not bulldogs... As far as treein bear we had a pretty good year.. I believe we Treed 16 bears.... Real live ones.... Throughout the TN and NC season... And that's not a kill total, seen a few sows with yearlings.... Can't complain though.... Pretty good year I guess
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Rocket41, that is a good year in any mans book......Especially with such a short season........I've run the North River area with the Browns, Jeb and Zeb, and really enjoy that area. Tell the Brown's from Coker Creek TN I said "hey' if you see em'........They have some fine Plott bear and hog dogs.......
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Don't have any bear dogs, but I do know dogs and have probably killed more bears than most folks on this board, and judging by your profile pic, you aint chasing anything over any mtns.
ETTER2, no reason to get personal there, but anytime you wanna take a walk through the mountains with a fat old man, following my ugly and mean Plotts, and American Leopard hound, let me know......I think I would enjoy meeting you and discussing your comments.
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this just gets better and better.lol. ill be heading to bear camp in late March. WHOO HOO!!! cant wait!
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We ever get a bear season. I can put yall on em. Im sure if we can tree a few a year accidental like. Yall could wear em out and if yall come across a trashy bear dog that will only tree coons. Let me know
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Rocket41, that is a good year in any mans book......Especially with such a short season........I've run the North River area with the Browns, Jeb and Zeb, and really enjoy that area. Tell the Brown's from Coker Creek TN I said "hey' if you see em'........They have some fine Plott bear and hog dogs.......
Yea dave I know those boys pretty well...... Lol
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we got a Ga bears eason
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Easy pal...... You say you don't have bear dogs but have killed more bear than most folks on here..... That may be true but again.... The guy plainly asks what's the best type of hound for BEAR HUNTING!!! I suggest you don't open your mouth unless you know what your talkin about.... Thanks.


Well the best type is still walker hounds. That's why Walkers are used in almost every lion and bear camp in the west, northeast, and canada.
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there are just as many bad walkers as there are god ones!!!! there are just more registered walkers than any other hound. that means the 50% that are bad out number other registered breeds. A WALKER IS HALF ENGLISH!!!!!!!
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I'd say it depends on the type of bear and the location you are hunting. If your hunting Brown Bear in Alaska or Russia, I would say Alaskan Malamutes for their strength, endurance and great warm coats. If you are in the Georgia mountains in the USA, I might go with the Catahoulas or Rhodesian Ridgebacks and possibly Argentina Dogos.
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GEORGIA outdoor news. Georgia has mountains and swamps. only interested in our southern states. thank you for your opinion tho.
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Well the best type is still walker hounds. That's why Walkers are used in almost every lion and bear camp in the west, northeast, and canada.
I've seen exactly three really good walker bear dogs in my life. They'll run a bear, but in general, they would be my last hound pick for bear hunting except for maybe black and tans. They just don't have the combination of nose, stamina, and grit that it takes to run and tree bears up here in these rugged mountains when you compare them as a breed to some of the others. Remember that Plott hounds were bred first and foremost from the start right here in the western NC mountains specifically for bear hunting, and have been selected for countless generations for traits that make good bear dogs. Walkers were originally fox dogs that were later crossbred with treeing hounds to produce a coonhound type that would tree.

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I'd say it depends on the type of bear and the location you are hunting. If your hunting Brown Bear in Alaska or Russia, I would say Alaskan Malamutes for their strength, endurance and great warm coats. If you are in the Georgia mountains in the USA, I might go with the Catahoulas or Rhodesian Ridgebacks and possibly Argentina Dogos.
The only problem with that scenario, coming from someone who spent quite a few years hunting bears with hounds here in the NC mountains, and is decended from a long line of generations of bear hunters; is that none of those breeds have anywhere near enough nose to trail up and jump a bear. Most bear tracks you find are several hours old, and it takes a hound with a good nose to get it trailed up and going. Some of those breeds will work as fight dogs once the bear is jumped, assuming that they don't attack your other dogs instead of the bear. Catahoulas would be my pick out of any of those you mentioned, but they still don't work like hounds for bear hunting down here.
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Plotts are too ugly and mean for me. Check out what most of the western bear guides run....the guys who run bears for a living 4+ months of the year. Most are walkers with some blueticks thrown in.

It's a dumb argument. Everybody has a different opinion, but I bet if you took a poll of every houndsman in the country, walkers would get more than 50 percent of the vote.
common stereo type as far as the plotts being mean! and beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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The stocks of Plotts I've had and hunted with weren't ill or mean at all, except to bears (and I live in the county where they originated, my dad hunted with Von Plott and Taylor Crockett, so I guess that's as pure Plott as you can get.) I won't keep an ill dog. I've seen a lot more walkers that were ill on the tree or in the box than any other breed. I've been around bear hounders all my life, and was one myself for a long time, and I know very few people who run walkers for bears. This ain't out west where they can't get good dogs and don't no any better.
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I've seen walkers used for strike dogs but in the mountains the bulk of the pack is plott or plott cross. Smallish athletic dogs with a ton of grit and bottom.
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The stocks of Plotts I've had and hunted with weren't ill or mean at all, except to bears (and I live in the county where they originated, my dad hunted with Von Plott and Taylor Crockett, so I guess that's as pure Plott as you can get.) I won't keep an ill dog. I've seen a lot more walkers that were ill on the tree or in the box than any other breed. I've been around bear hounders all my life, and was one myself for a long time, and I know very few people who run walkers for bears. This ain't out west where they can't get good dogs and don't no any better.
yea that is about as pure plot as ya can get! ill dogs don't get to eat much of my dog food at the price of dog food! they have some good plotts out west just the guys who have them won't let go of them. doyle demoss orignated the cascade line of plotts out west.
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Rev Robert Longshore outa Hogansville Ga has awesome plott dogs!! Bear and coon hounds
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black and tan is what i'm running with and we tree several every year accidentally.
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I believe they are right. Its gotta be plott dogs cause they sure suck at treeing coon. A bear is bigger and easier to chase I recken
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we took 4 plott/bear dogs to Tennessee and placed in a few events. all other hound breeds cant help that tha walker population is 10 fold to all others. that means that there are more bad ones than good ones compared to all other breeds.. it is true that walkers start sooner and faster than other breeds. THAT JUST MEANS WALKERS HUNTERS ARE LAZY!!!!!
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never seen a walker fit to feed. plotts r bear dogs thats all there is to it. i like to see game in the tree. and as far as speed my to plotts r faster than any walker on the mtn. plotts period keep ur coon dogs on coons and when ur ready to hunt somethin that takes some grit and stay power let me know.
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and yes i hav a bluetick pup
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I know a guy around Hayesville ,N.C. that runs Elkhounds.
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I know a guy around Hayesville ,N.C. that runs Elkhounds.
I think the guy you are refering to is my neighbor,bears dont run far from elkhouds, the dogs wont let them,best bear dog I ever hunted with was mixed breed, plot, some type of bulldog, blackmouth cur, and I think sheapherd different breeds of houds would strike and run the bear, but when the mut was packed in the bear would either tree or lose a lot of hair.If you want to hear a race must have hounds.
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