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Old 11-12-2012, 08:35 PM
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Well apparently it is here to stay. I hear all kinds of stuff about what it will cost us. So my question is what do we really know will happen? What is real. The Internet is full of all kinds of tax increases, bank account withdraw costs, etc. What do you guys KNOW is real?
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Just look at Canada and England and draw the comparison. Doesn't matter if it doesn't cost me extra money. The Government has no business between me and my physician.
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Its gonna cost us money. You can bet on that!! Just wait till the first of the yr.
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Just look at Canada and England and draw the comparison. Doesn't matter if it doesn't cost me extra money. The Government has no business between me and my physician.[/QUOTE]
Unless your a woman, then the GOP will get all up in there with some transpolitical scanner.. Its ok then..
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The short answer is: No one knows, but it is a big number with a lot of zeros in it.
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The #'s I'm hearing are: ~80-90 MILLION people were uninsured...now they're majically going to be insured...it's going to be more than we could even imagine. I think it'll be all good...till the money tree dries up..and Odummy's faithful are dumpster diving & fighting over that 3 day old sack of scraps. The problem is...we ALL are going to suffer because of their choice
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everyone that voted for obama will get what they deserve. but the obama care will do them no good you wont be able to get near a hospital or a doctors office there arent enough of them to care for all the people we will have running to the doctor because they stubed there toe there will be merca and staff infections everywere but the 51 percent of the mochers that live in this country will think its just another free thing that the 49 percent of working people will be taxed for .......good luck people
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Well apparently it is here to stay. I hear all kinds of stuff about what it will cost us. So my question is what do we really know will happen? What is real. The Internet is full of all kinds of tax increases, bank account withdraw costs, etc. What do you guys KNOW is real?
I know it will cost us the most efficient, innovative and effective health care system the world has ever known.
And we will still place second to China in killing the unborn.
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When do I get to stop paying for insurance since it'll be "free?"
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I heard about a pretty good loophole that would potentially send Obamacare to a quick death today. The employer mandate is apparently only in effect if States create an Insurance Exchange (which many have refused to do) in the case that a state does not comply with this, the Feds will impose an Insurance Exchange and the employers will not be subject to the $2500 per employee mandate (for those with over 50 employees.

Apparently the bill was so big they overlooked this little caveat. If all 50 states, or even a large majority of them refused to form IE's then the required mandate/tax would not be required, would not get paid, and the funds for Obamacare would dry up at the speed of light.

Georgia is one of the states that has refused to set up an IE. It will be interesting to see how this tactic plays out.

This link provides a list of where all 50 states stand on this issue:
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I heard about a pretty good loophole that would potentially send Obamacare to a quick death today. The employer mandate is apparently only in effect if States create an Insurance Exchange (which many have refused to do) in the case that a state does not comply with this, the Feds will impose an Insurance Exchange and the employers will not be subject to the $2500 per employee mandate (for those with over 50 employees.

Apparently the bill was so big they overlooked this little caveat. If all 50 states, or even a large majority of them refused to form IE's then the required mandate/tax would not be required, would not get paid, and the funds for Obamacare would dry up at the speed of light.

Georgia is one of the states that has refused to set up an IE. It will be interesting to see how this tactic plays out.
The regime will play chicago hardball and the states will comply.
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When do I get to stop paying for insurance since it'll be "free?"
you will be taxed 3 percent or about 2500.00 dollars a year . or if your one of the 51 percent of the minority that get welfare you will get it for free. and if your white you make up for 30 percent of the population now and you have a job you will get to pay for for the 51 percent of the mochers and minoritys that live in our country now and dont work ...how do you think that fool got voted in again it sure wasent because he lowerd the national dept.
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I heard about a pretty good loophole that would potentially send Obamacare to a quick death today. The employer mandate is apparently only in effect if States create an Insurance Exchange (which many have refused to do) in the case that a state does not comply with this, the Feds will impose an Insurance Exchange and the employers will not be subject to the $2500 per employee mandate (for those with over 50 employees.

Apparently the bill was so big they overlooked this little caveat. If all 50 states, or even a large majority of them refused to form IE's then the required mandate/tax would not be required, would not get paid, and the funds for Obamacare would dry up at the speed of light.

Georgia is one of the states that has refused to set up an IE. It will be interesting to see how this tactic plays out.
If a majority of voters just re-elected Obama, why would a majority of states subsequently decide to reject Obamacare?
Even GA, where voters are anti-Obama, isnt Governor Deal reconsidering accepting the medicaid expansion?
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Well apparently it is here to stay. I hear all kinds of stuff about what it will cost us. So my question is what do we really know will happen? What is real. The Internet is full of all kinds of tax increases, bank account withdraw costs, etc. What do you guys KNOW is real?
I know mine and the wifes health insurance really went up almost $4,000.00 for this coming year. It sucks big time.
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If a majority of voters just re-elected Obama, why would a majority of states subsequently decide to reject Obamacare?
Even GA, where voters are anti-Obama, isnt Governor Deal reconsidering accepting the medicaid expansion?
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Unless your a woman, then the GOP will get all up in there with some transpolitical scanner.. Its ok then..
Yeah, cause we ain't wanting to pay for an abortion that a little common sense and responsibility would have negated the need for.
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Yeah, cause we ain't wanting to pay for an abortion that a little common sense and responsibility would have negated the need for.
The skies the limits.

For someone who claims to be for smaller government he sure has a funny way of defending that concept.
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The skies the limits.

For someone who claims to be for smaller government he sure has a funny way of defending that concept.
So easy a caveman could understand it.
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If a majority of voters just re-elected Obama, why would a majority of states subsequently decide to reject Obamacare?
Even GA, where voters are anti-Obama, isnt Governor Deal reconsidering accepting the medicaid expansion?
You must have feel asleep when they were showing the maps. Obummer did not come close to winning a majority of the states. Instead, he won those states with the most freeloaders handily and lost most of the others.
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Well apparently it is here to stay. I hear all kinds of stuff about what it will cost us. So my question is what do we really know will happen? What is real.
This is "real".

http://www.atr.org/full-list-obamaca...#ixzz1zTXuZUYl
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You must have feel asleep when they were showing the maps. Obummer did not come close to winning a majority of the states. Instead, he won those states with the most freeloaders handily and lost most of the others.
You are right about that. Georgia is one of those states Obama did not win, yet our Governor is reconsidering the Medicaid expansion.

Why do you think that is? I wonder if governors of any of those other states that Obama lost are reconsidering also.

I guess we will have to see.

Obamacare is here to stay. To argue otherwise is about as hopeless sounding as Karl Rove arguing that Ohio was won by Romney.
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So, what does everybody think the effect of this will be?

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Employer: If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346
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Another employer mandate buzz kill for Obamacare funding is this. Large employee based companies, well over 50, have the option to pay a $25k penalty and go on down the road instead of paying $2500 per employee. No brainer there. They'll pay the penalty and keep their own insurance contracts. Obamacare will starve to death from lack of funding.

The bad thing this leaves is exactly what Romney kept repeating in his campaign and debates. Those that are with companies smaller than 50 employees will bear the burden of paying $2500 for insurance. This sector of employees covers 90% of the middle class, which is exactly what we were being warned of, it being the largest tax increase on the Middle Class ever.

Y'all have fun with this Socialist Administration you re-elected. It is here to stay, and will merely morph to fit the obstacles it encounters in order to pay for itself. Before Obama is out of office don't be surprised if your 401k's have been pillaged in order to further monetize the debt, your income taxes hit 50% for middle income families, and the true jobless rate hits 20% (the real rate, not the Gov. altered smoozer rate).

Ah the good ol' days.

Under a functioning capitalist system with Republicans in the house that were not transgendered by loss of their boys, instead of the government trying to provide for all, we would have had the Interstate Commerce clause re-written to allow Insurance Companies to compete across state line, thus lowering prices through competition.

But instead, we are stuck with a nationwide crisis that will never go away.
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Another employer mandate buzz kill for Obamacare funding is this. Large employee based companies, well over 50, have the option to pay a $25k penalty and go on down the road instead of paying $2500 per employee. No brainer there. They'll pay the penalty and keep their own insurance contracts. Obamacare will starve to death from lack of funding.

The bad thing this leaves is exactly what Romney kept repeating in his campaign and debates. Those that are with companies smaller than 50 employees will bear the burden of paying $2500 for insurance. This sector of employees covers 90% of the middle class, which is exactly what we were being warned of, it being the largest tax increase on the Middle Class ever.

Y'all have fun with this Socialist Administration you re-elected. It is here to stay, and will merely morph to fit the obstacles it encounters in order to pay for itself. Before Obama is out of office don't be surprised if your 401k's have been pillaged in order to further monetize the debt, your income taxes hit 50% for middle income families, and the true jobless rate hits 20% (the real rate, not the Gov. altered smoozer rate).

Ah the good ol' days.

Under a functioning capitalist system with Republicans in the house that were not transgendered by loss of their boys, instead of the government trying to provide for all, we would have had the Interstate Commerce clause re-written to allow Insurance Companies to compete across state line, thus lowering prices through competition.

But instead, we are stuck with a nationwide crisis that will never go away.
Close, but no seegar.
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Before Obama is out of office don't be surprised if your 401k's have been pillaged in order to further monetize the debt, your income taxes hit 50% for middle income families, and the true jobless rate hits 20% (the real rate, not the Gov. altered smoozer rate).
You left out civil unrest, street protests, rioting, and jackbooted thuggery by the Obama administration in an attempt to keep order.
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