EPA to ban wood burning stoves?

[Charlie Dobbs]

Really what is next?

Off Grid Attack: EPA To Outlaw Many Wood Burning Stoves Illegal
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In another attempt to outlaw the off grid lifestyle, the Environmental Protection Agency is now going after home

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[Charlie Dobbs]

Off Grid Attack: EPA To Outlaw Many Wood Burning Stoves
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Our ever so helpful government has decided that your wood burning stove is now a danger to the world. In another attempt to outlaw the off grid lifestyle, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the same agency that was recently caught using drones to spy on Americans, is now going after home owners who use Wood Burning Stoves to heat their homes.

Shortly after the re-election of President Obama, the agency announced new radical environmental regulations that threaten to effect people who live off the grid. The EPA’s new environmental regulations reduce the amount of airborne fine-particle matter from 15 micrograms to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air.

This means that most wood burning stoves would now fall into a class that would deemed unacceptable under these new draconian measures. The EPA has even launched a nifty new website called burn wise to try to sway public opinion.

On their site, while trying to convince people to get rid of their old stoves and buy the new EPA-certified stoves, they sate that these older stove must be scraped and cannot be resold.

From the EPA Site:

The local air pollution agency says I can’t sell my old wood stove to help pay for an EPA-certified wood stove. Why is that?
Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else. For this reason, wood stove changeout programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.

Let’s hope this doesn’t fall under the jurisdiction of the newly created Department of Homeland Security Environmental Justice Units? The next thing you know we might all be getting a knock at the door….. Your Neighbor reported that you might be burning some wood, do you mind if we take a look around?

[Miguel Cervantes]

Time to completely ignore the government and show em who's boss.

[seaweaver]

it is 30 out, 76 in burning near rotten white oak in a 60 yo heater for my 1800sq house. There is nt a dang thing wrong w/ my heater.

I have been looking at rocket stoves and mass heaters for my shop..those surpass any government standard for emission.

[Charlie Dobbs]

Amen, they are trying to bring he people under complete control and dependency.

[seaweaver]

http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/index.html

http://offgridsurvival.com/epa-woodb...medium=twitter

[seaweaver]

The "The local air pollution agency " is generally following the EPA and ICLEI if your county is a member.
ICLEI formulates greenhouse gas guides for nearly all the counties that participate in Agenda 21 hoopla and really steers much of the draconian statist non-science that results in the erosion of liberty at the local level.
cw

This is the one for Orange County NC
http://www.co.orange.nc.us/ercd/docu...tory_Final.pdf

The EPA may set a National tone...but it will be the local Governmental eco-nut that rings your bell. And they will be Agenda 21 driven

[Lukikus2]

Envirometal Payoff Association at it again. They need to outlaw forest fires, controlled burns and volcanoes before they go after the average Joe and ruin his life.

[gacowboy]

This is insane. The EPA should be dissolved.

[rayjay]

I used to drink the air quality koolaid and not burn my limbs but instead I would chip them [ don't ask about the burning of gasoline to accomplish this ]. Then I read an article about the air pollutants in the western US coast air originating from Chinese factories and I quit worrying about it. I have several big piles waiting for a cold windless day to do some burning

[hawglips]

The EPA should be banned.

[David Parker]

So if I keep a fire going in my fireplace too long, I'm exceeding a pollution regulation and am subject to prosecution? Gimme a break. I'm burning more wood now just to spite them.

[blood on the ground]

we need to rise up against the idiots that are suggesting this crap!

[Luke0927]

Its getting bad, I feel its going to be the sacrifice of some of the "government regulators" who come trying to impose regulations the and the poor folks who have to defend themselves and their livelihood will truly suffer for it. Its a crying shame, and that's an understatement.

[Wild Turkey]

They have it all wrong. Ban chainsaws like guns.

[rayjay]

I have come to realize that it's the "Busybody Syndrome" at work.

[Lukikus2]

Originally Posted by gacowboy

This is insane. The EPA should be dissolved.

Originally Posted by hawglips

The EPA should be banned.

Yep

Originally Posted by Wild Turkey

They have it all wrong. Ban chainsaws like guns.

Chainsaws are under OSHA's guidance. That will be next since OSHA is re-writing it's policies also.

[bigdawg25]

I am no fan of EPA but in this case it just looks like a voluntary kind of a program they are running....if you dont like their suggestion then dont take it! no one is being forced to get rid of anything.

[camo73]

Just think we the people pay these fools to come up with this garbage. The government has already cost my business thousands every year in dot regs, permits, inspections , OShA and now they want to tell me how to heat my house. This stuff needs stop!

[elfiii]

They aren't going to come grab your vintage potbelly stove. From an economic standpoint the stoves sold today are head and shoulders above "'Ole Betsy". I just took a look at what's for sale since "'Ole Betsy" at deer camp is getting kind of long in the tooth. $1,000 for a high efficiency stove looks right up my alley. I won't have to cut half the firewood I do now to make it from October to April.

[Robert28]

Originally Posted by elfiii

. I won't have to cut half the firewood I do now to make it from October to April.

running a chainsaw and a log splitter can be lots of fun!

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by Robert28

running a chainsaw and a log splitter can be lots of fun!

For about 1 full day.

[Wild Turkey]

ive got one high effic wood stove that looks like a glass door fireplace. Cost 5000 and is hooked into the return air ducts.
That thing will run 24 hours on 24 sticks of oak. More than paid for itself other than the kids complaining because it hits 80 degrees upstairs when its 25 outside. And the house is superinsulated too and wrapped.

[VTRman]

Originally Posted by Lukikus2

Envirometal Payoff Association at it again. They need to outlaw forest fires, controlled burns and volcanoes before they go after the average Joe and ruin his life.

Yeah, but you are missing the point.

[bluemarlin]

The EPA will have to pry my wood burning stove out of my dead, toasty-warm hands.

[Throwback]

why do ya'll hate the polar bears?

T

[PopPop]

Originally Posted by Throwback

why do ya'll hate the polar bears?

T

Cause the meat is tough.

[georgia357]

Originally Posted by Wild Turkey

ive got one high effic wood stove that looks like a glass door fireplace. Cost 5000 and is hooked into the return air ducts.
That thing will run 24 hours on 24 sticks of oak. More than paid for itself other than the kids complaining because it hits 80 degrees upstairs when its 25 outside. And the house is superinsulated too and wrapped.

I have a 30 year old Buck Stove and can also run 24 hours on 24 sticks of oak. I think I'll keep it before spending 5000 dollars on a new super duper high tech one.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by georgia357

I have a 30 year old Buck Stove and can also run 24 hours on 24 sticks of oak. I think I'll keep it before spending 5000 dollars on a new super duper high tech one.

Who said anything about $5,000? All of the super duper high efficiency ones I found will heat a 2,000 sq ft house for 12 hours for around $1,300. That's probably what that 30 year old Buck stove costs in today's dollars.

In fact, a Buck Model 21 non catalytic wood burning stove can be had for $999.

http://for-sale.yakaz.com/buck-stove...0bnngd7k0josue

[sleepr71]

Powergrabbing,money-hungry knuckleheadsMine saves me $400-500/Winter vs gas or electric...and I usually just use stuff that is blown down,or dies from drought. I will also use one to heat my shop when it's completed...an old one

[leroy]

Originally Posted by Wild Turkey

ive got one high effic wood stove that looks like a glass door fireplace. Cost 5000 and is hooked into the return air ducts..

here is where the 5000 came from

[georgia357]

Originally Posted by Wild Turkey

Cost 5000 and is hooked into the return air ducts.

Originally Posted by elfiii

Who said anything about $5,000? All of the super duper high efficiency ones I found will heat a 2,000 sq ft house for 12 hours for around $1,300. That's probably what that 30 year old Buck stove costs in today's dollars.

I believe Wild Turkey did. You're probably pretty close on the cost now. I paid about $500 back in very early 1980's and that would be around 12-1300 in today's dollars.


Dang, Leroy beat me to it. Sorry, didn't see that.

[MudDucker]

Bunch of fools with nothing better to do. Thanks again government sponges and liberterians for re-election Obummer!

[calibob1]

We've got to preserve the trees! Have you noticed how hard it is to find buffalo chips lately?

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by georgia357

You're probably pretty close on the cost now.

I'm dead on the money. I looked it up.

[dwhee87]

Sounds like the next cash for clunkers program.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by dwhee87

Sounds like the next cash for clunkers program.

I still ain't giving up 'Ole Betsy down at deer camp.

[Wild Turkey]

This is it. Hammered iron front with accents. Fresh air intake and air intake from return air duct in basement.
Its wider than it looks. The only way my wife would allow a wood stove was to make it look like a fireplace.

[Possum]

Im in the wood stove business and there is no looming EPA ban on wood stoves. There was a tax credit to upgrade to new cleaner burning stoves a couple years ago but unlike cash for clunkers, the old stove did not have to be destroyed. I sell many used stoves and many new ones. Personally, I dont know why anyone would want an inefficiant cheap old wood stove but there is a demand for them so we sell em but I always tell people that the new EPA certified stoves are a much better value.

[Throwback]

Originally Posted by Possum

Im in the wood stove business and there is no looming EPA ban on wood stoves. There was a tax credit to upgrade to new cleaner burning stoves a couple years ago but unlike cash for clunkers, the old stove did not have to be destroyed. I sell many used stoves and many new ones. Personally, I dont know why anyone would want an inefficiant cheap old wood stove but there is a demand for them so we sell em but I always tell people that the new EPA certified stoves are a much better value.

the EPA stoves have a monitoring device in them so the CIA can hear (and in some cases see) what is going on in you home.

don't doubt me.



T

[seaweaver]

We are all doing it wrong anyhow. Those that heat w/ wood...yet have little.. had this figured out a long time ago.
http://www.mha-net.org/html/gallery.htm

[packrat]

What will I burn my household garbage in?

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by packrat

What will I burn my household garbage in?

55 gal drum in the back yard?

[grim]

Originally Posted by Throwback

the EPA stoves have a monitoring device in them so the CIA can hear (and in some cases see) what is going on in you home.

don't doubt me.



T

We had my sister in law and her three boys, and my kids play boardgames, cards, eat and sleep next to the stove for a long weekend and the CIA knocked on the door and asked if they could remove the monitor before the weekend was over.

[packrat]

Originally Posted by elfiii

55 gal drum in the back yard?

Been heating my home with free wood and garbage
for 21 years. Outside Burn barrels are only good for
sitting aroung pickin' the banjo while you burn the motor oil drained from your tractor. HINT: Don't roast marshmallows over them. Real bad taste