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Old 06-09-2013, 08:50 PM
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We were coming back from the NC mountains Sunday and came up on this accident on HWY 129. We were eastbound (southbound in this story).

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=262366

It was terrible. The motorcyclist was laid out in the middle of the road, and covered with a blanket. I had to drive around the body to pass. That was a weird experience. I commented at the time that the body looked awfully small, I wondered if it was a woman,

I don't know how fast she was going or what kind of bike she was riding, but the left front wheel of the focus was knocked off, and the entire left front end destroyed. Didn't see the bike and it may have been down the side of the mountain. We were there so soon after the accident that there were no emergency personnel on site.

There were plenty of people on site, and obviously nothing I could do, so I went on down the road. I felt sort of bad about that, but realized there was nothing I could do except block traffic.

Passed GSP going the other way with all lights and siren going, about 1/4 mile down the road. Saw a Lumpkin County SO come out of side road behind me. Being as there are no turnoffs or turn arounds, I suspect that traffic was tied up a while.

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Old 06-09-2013, 08:57 PM
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That's sad news. Sorry to hear about the accident.
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Maybe if enough of them make greasy spots on the road they will quit going up and down Blood like a bunch of IDIOTS!!

My mom lives in Blairsville and hates driving down on the weekend because of them. The cruiser riders are generally pretty good, but the crotch rockets are dangerous.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:05 PM
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Hate passin wrecks .. Wife's an RN and has a kit in the car.. We stop at em all and try to help .. I know that feeling after you leave an accident scene .. It's not a good one.
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I've got to the point that I don't stop unless it's blocking the road or I can tell there are kids involved.

I've got 21 years of training, but there's nothing I keep with me that can make a difference, plus it's NOT worth the exposure risk (blood, etc) to take the chance!!

I've seen probably hundreds of dead people, and only kids really get me. Don't have ANY sympathy for people acting/ driving like idiots!!
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Maybe if enough of them make greasy spots on the road they will quit going up and down Blood like a bunch of IDIOTS!!

My mom lives in Blairsville and hates driving down on the weekend because of them. The cruiser riders are generally pretty good, but the crotch rockets are dangerous.
I can't think of a thing to say about your post that won't get me banned .

Prayers for the lady's friends and family at this sad time.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:32 PM
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I can't think of a thing to say about your post that won't get me banned .:crazy
Oh well...sorry it wasn't touchy feely enough for ya
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Oh well...sorry it wasn't touchy feely enough for ya
You know, 99.9% of the people who read what you posted just shook their head and thought the exact same thing about you that I did. No need to even say it out loud.
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You know, 99.9% of the people who read what you posted just shook their head and thought the exact same thing about you that I did. No need to even say it out loud.
Well...I guess after all these years of seeing death, stupid people, etc...plus many years of seeing the dumb crotch rockets riding at excessive speeds and acting like they rule the road...just made me jaded.

Getting all upset by death unless it has a direct impact on myself or family is not in my cards anymore. Yep...this woman probably had a family too...but not for me to worry about.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:52 PM
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You know, 99.9% of the people who read what you posted just shook their head and thought the exact same thing about you that I did.
Make that 98.9%

I feel sorry for whomever is left to grieve over this loss, but the man has a valid point.

http://www.accidentin.com/article759...n_co_crash.htm

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LUMPKIN COUNTY - A motorcyclist from Marietta was killed Sunday in Lumpkin County.

The Georgia State Patrol identified the victim as 44-year-old Lashawn Angelique Allen.

Investigators said Allen was traveling northbound on Highway 129 near Turners Corner when she ran off the roadway. They say she over-corrected, re-entered the roadway and then crossed into the southbound lane where she was hit by a Ford Focus and killed.
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I've got to the point that I don't stop unless it's blocking the road or I can tell there are kids involved.

I've got 21 years of training, but there's nothing I keep with me that can make a difference, plus it's NOT worth the exposure risk (blood, etc) to take the chance!!

I've seen probably hundreds of dead people, and only kids really get me. Don't have ANY sympathy for people acting/ driving like idiots!!
You have 21 years of training and you don't think that experience would be useful as opposed to someone who stopped and only knows what they watch on tv?
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You have 21 years of training and you don't think that experience would be useful as opposed to someone who stopped and only knows what they watch on tv?
No I don't. I have stopped before...and usually the "group panic" is running rampant and it is very hard to convince those people of any logic.

Speaking of TV...I guess with every car exploding after a wreck has made everyone think that they have to drag the victim a safe distance.

Everybody should learn CPR...in that they'll teach opening the airway. With that...you'll have the exact same tools I would have when I'm passing by.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:34 PM
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No I don't. I have stopped before...and usually the "group panic" is running rampant and it is very hard to convince those people of any logic.

Speaking of TV...I guess with every car exploding after a wreck has made everyone think that they have to drag the victim a safe distance.

Everybody should learn CPR...in that they'll teach opening the airway. With that...you'll have the exact same tools I would have when I'm passing by.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I've stopped before and i'll stop again. Some people i could help, some i couldn't, but i never know that till i assess the situation.
Of course, if qualified personnel are already there, i'll move along.
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:29 PM
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I'm required to take a Medic First Aid refresher every year by my company.

To be honest, if there's blood and gore I'm useless.
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:45 PM
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:16 AM
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Some people are just heartless,what goes around comes around.
I'll tell my wife you think so. I'm sure she'll be crushed.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:31 AM
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I've stopped before and i'll stop again. Some people i could help, some i couldn't, but i never know that till i assess the situation.
Of course, if qualified personnel are already there, i'll move along.
You also have to consider that the Albany area is a populous of around 78,000 people and your worst traffic jam is like our Saturday traffic. The 29 county Metro Atlanta area is a population of 5.5 million people, nearly 1 million more than the entire state of Alabama. The number of accidents healthcare professionals are exposed to on a day to day basis, not counting the folks they must tend to during their work days, is just flat out staggering. Not to mention the number of idiots we see driving all kinds of vehicles every hour, much less every day tends to desensitize you to their plight of self imposed Darwinism.

Perspective is a wonderful thing, when addressing issues such as these.
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A few years ago me & my 2 kids were traveling on 575 North in Cherokee Co. Traffic started slowing down on the northbound side & we heard a helicopter. As we slowly approached the scene of the accident I could see that the entire Southbound side had been shut down & there were emergency vehicles everywhere. I noticed along the cable fencing that lines 575 they had laid out about 4 different white sheets & 1 sheet on the ground. Then I saw the motorcycle. I knew what had happened & even though my kids couldn't see what was under those sheets I still told them not to look. That is something no one wants to see no matter what kinda training they've had.



My prayers go out to that women's family!
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:10 AM
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I can't think of a thing to say about your post that won't get me banned .

Prayers for the lady's friends and family at this sad time.

My feelings exactly. Can't think of any reply that would not put me on the short list, so just gonna keep it to myself. The young lady made a driving mistake, ran off of the side of the road and over corrected. But she did make a greasy spot on the road so I guess that's ok, just dang.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:26 AM
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Yes, as I stated before, it is sad for her family that she had to lose her life. Now, for you that live south of the gnat line and don't have a clue what Blood Mountain is in relationship to this incident and discussion. The crotch rocket riders think it is their own personal race track, hogging both lanes, crossing the double yellow and pretending that they are on the Audubon and there is no speed limit. Why must the individual attempt to single handedly prove Darwin right? Imagine if car owners treated this stretch of road in the same manner?

Here is just one example:

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Old 06-10-2013, 08:36 AM
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Make that 98.9%

I feel sorry for whomever is left to grieve over this loss, but the man has a valid point.

http://www.accidentin.com/article759...n_co_crash.htm
In your mind, running off the side of the road, over correcting and being hit by a car somehow proves that the 44 year old woman was riding dangerously? Pretty big stretch there Armstrong.
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In your mind, running off the side of the road, over correcting and being hit by a car somehow proves that the 44 year old woman was riding dangerously? Pretty big stretch there Armstrong.
Yes, I'm sure she was only doing 35 and slightly bumped into the focus, thus the massive amount of damage to the car. You live up that way, do you come out of your vacuum much?
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I have friend who rides a crotch rocket, mention Blood mnt and his eyes glaze over and he starts drooling...Well, it used to, now he has kids and gets his adrenalin rush from mudding ...
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No I don't. I have stopped before...and usually the "group panic" is running rampant and it is very hard to convince those people of any logic.

Speaking of TV...I guess with every car exploding after a wreck has made everyone think that they have to drag the victim a safe distance.

Everybody should learn CPR...in that they'll teach opening the airway. With that...you'll have the exact same tools I would have when I'm passing by.
There is a difference in knowing what to do and taking charge of a situation with leadership. Do you know what is really sad is a car turned upside down in the ditch of I-75 and folks standing around outside, with the guy bleeding inside, not knowing what to do. Did I know how to treat the guy? Not really but I assessed the situation and crawled in the window of the car and talked to him. I asked him questions about pain and checked his eyes and pupils since he had a large gash on his head. He wanted to get out of the car, understandably, and I let him. Did you know even with copious amounts of blood he had coming out of his head I didn't get any on me? But you know what, in that time he was calm. He was in a panic trying to get out until I talked to him and calmed him down. When he was getting out I directed him where to move what so he wouldn't get cut on glass.

So maybe if someone did learn CPR they could open their airway and do what you do, however, it takes a leader to assess the situation and stop the panic. Did I mention that CPR wouldn't have helped the guy in the upside down car? He was breathing just fine. He was just scared...didn't know they taught how to unscare someone in CPR class.

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You know, 99.9% of the people who read what you posted just shook their head and thought the exact same thing about you that I did. No need to even say it out loud.
I'm the .1%... What he said was a cold, hard truth and Miguel Cervantes backs it up. I have 0 sympathy for a fool that thinks that Blood mountain is a race track. I've been there and done it in a car. It's a "fun" drive but if you lose control of your vehicle and die due to your own possible negligence, I feel no sympathy for _YOU_. I feel sorry for your family, but as an adult you make your own decisions. If she really was acting in a responsible manner, it is a tragedy and nothing could have been done to prevent it.

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In your mind, running off the side of the road, over correcting and being hit by a car somehow proves that the 44 year old woman was riding dangerously? Pretty big stretch there Armstrong.
I am only speculating that the damage was caused by the motorcyclist, but it takes quite a bit of force to knock a front wheel off a car. If I remember the speed limit on that road is between 35 and 45 MPH.
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I came on that wreck just seconds after it happened. 3rd car in line. The bike was in boggs creek 60 yards from the body. Very sad. Saw a few crotch rockets driving a little crazy coming down the mountain that day.
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Yes, I'm sure she was only doing 35 and slightly bumped into the focus, thus the massive amount of damage to the car. You live up that way, do you come out of your vacuum much?
Yeah, I get around some. I see people on sport bikes, cruisers, touring bikes and cars driving along looking at the scenery. Some times they run off the road, some times they over correct and sometimes they crash. I don't wish for any of them to become greasy spots on the road, that would make me as big a you-know-what as some others on here.
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I am only speculating that the damage was caused by the motorcyclist, but it takes quite a bit of force to knock a front wheel off a car. If I remember the speed limit on that road is between 35 and 45 MPH.
Yeah, there seems to be quite a lot of speculation by people with no facts to back them up. I would think somebody that has been around cars could see how an impact on the side of a wheel could break it. I know I've seen it happen.
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I run blood in my stang all the time. Very fun road and its pretty close to me. So does the same thoughts some have here go for the car enthusiast on that road?
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Unfortunately this is a common thing up here. I feel sorry for the family and really hate that it happened. That being said these folks come up here and treat the area roads like race tracks and act suprised when something like this happens. Being in the business you do become jaded to an extent, but I still feel for the folks. The locals HATE the "weekend" warriors that take over and act like idiots. ( Note the majority of these folks behave and don't cause any issues.) It's not just the motorcycles, you have the bicycles and the the sports car nuts who have a % the act a fool. Not only does it make a common trip to town a little more dangerous it taxes the local EMS services. We don't have Med units all of the place like Atlanta and other metro areas. We have 3 here in White Co and Lumpkin and Union are in the same boat. The services will do their jobs and do them well, but is it really fair that a citizen that has lived in an area thier entire life and paid taxes on those services has to wait for life saving treatment because some weekend warrior acts a fool. You see it's not that people are cold hearted or anything, it's that we see it a bunch and folks get tired of it. Again I hate it happened and happens, no one deserves to die like that, but if you keep playing with fire while holding a gas can someone is gonna get burnt.
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Unfortunately this is a common thing up here. I feel sorry for the family and really hate that it happened. That being said these folks come up here and treat the area roads like race tracks and act suprised when something like this happens. Being in the business you do become jaded to an extent, but I still feel for the folks. The locals HATE the "weekend" warriors that take over and act like idiots. ( Note the majority of these folks behave and don't cause any issues.) It's not just the motorcycles, you have the bicycles and the the sports car nuts who have a % the act a fool. Not only does it make a common trip to town a little more dangerous it taxes the local EMS services. We don't have Med units all of the place like Atlanta and other metro areas. We have 3 here in White Co and Lumpkin and Union are in the same boat. The services will do their jobs and do them well, but is it really fair that a citizen that has lived in an area thier entire life and paid taxes on those services has to wait for life saving treatment because some weekend warrior acts a fool. You see it's not that people are cold hearted or anything, it's that we see it a bunch and folks get tired of it. Again I hate it happened and happens, no one deserves to die like that, but if you keep playing with fire while holding a gas can someone is gonna get burnt.
I feel about the same as you. I like to drive fast, but that area makes it too hard to do it without endangering others, so I don't.
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Well said unicoi, I really feel bad for the person behind the wheel of the focus, they probably won't sleep right for a while.
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I feel about the same as you. I like to drive fast, but that area makes it too hard to do it without endangering others, so I don't.
I came around a corner once and some crazy local was pouring detergent on a curve


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That was a bad situation Sunday, Came upon it when emergency was arriving, As I was sitting there, the people she appeared to be riding with must have realize she wasn't with the group anymore and they turned around, you could tell they were devastated. It was also sad how many people left their vehicles to walk a long way just to see what happened, I saw a couple of maybe 14 y/o girls walking by themselves to take a look. I was hit by a bike at the top of Blood Mountain a couple of years ago, It totaled my F150, Husband and Wife were life flighted. It has really turned into a dreaded ride every time my Wife and I come home from B'ville. I was thinking that they should post a sign announcing the number of fatalities on that road, I'll bet there are 10-15 crosses between Turners Corner and Sunrise Grocery.
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That was a bad situation Sunday, Came upon it when emergency was arriving, As I was sitting there, the people she appeared to be riding with must have realize she wasn't with the group anymore and they turned around, you could tell they were devastated. It was also sad how many people left their vehicles to walk a long way just to see what happened, I saw a couple of maybe 14 y/o girls walking by themselves to take a look. I was hit by a bike at the top of Blood Mountain a couple of years ago, It totaled my F150, Husband and Wife were life flighted. It has really turned into a dreaded ride every time my Wife and I come home from B'ville. I was thinking that they should post a sign announcing the number of fatalities on that road, I'll bet there are 10-15 crosses between Turners Corner and Sunrise Grocery.
This is what causes most of the riding accidents, when the weakest rider is trying to try and keep up with the faster ones. I have been in that spot and just gave up and let them go.
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Happens every weekend up there. This isn't something new. I have known no less than 8 people that have been killed on motorcycles. My friends mom and dad were both killed same day up there about 6 yrs ago. I will never get on a motorcycle and I'm not sure why people do?
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Hello, My name is LaShawn and I moved to Georgia in 2011. I have a passion for riding and I am in an organization called the Ruff Ryders and been in this organization since 2007. I love meeting people. I am very friendly and outgoing
What kind of bike do you own?

I have a Suzuki 750
How long have you been riding?

I have been riding for 8 years, but have not been riding that much since the end of 2011 due to me seeing a close friend of mine laying on the highway dead because a car hit him. I am trying to build my confidence back up.

What are you riding interest? ie, highway, twisties, backroades, etc.

Use to be highways but now backroads
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Thousands more die every morning on the way to work just driving. Lightning keeps killing ppl as do storms and terrorist and anything else. It's called life..so go live it. Have some fun if your idea of it is zippin around a mountain pass on a bike or a car or just sittin in a boat all to yourself fishing. Point is who cares what other ppl do.
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Thousands more die every morning on the way to work just driving. Lightning keeps killing ppl as do storms and terrorist and anything else. It's called life..so go live it. Have some fun if your idea of it is zippin around a mountain pass on a bike or a car or just sittin in a boat all to yourself fishing. Point is who cares what other ppl do.


Thats all well and good until them "zippin around a mountain pass" causes them to lose control and slam into a car killing people who were on their way home or to the store or just out enjoying life...
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LaShawn Allen
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Hello, My name is LaShawn and I moved to Georgia in 2011. I have a passion for riding and I am in an organization called the Ruff Ryders and been in this organization since 2007. I love meeting people. I am very friendly and outgoing
What kind of bike do you own?

I have a Suzuki 750
How long have you been riding?

I have been riding for 8 years, but have not been riding that much since the end of 2011 due to me seeing a close friend of mine laying on the highway dead because a car hit him. I am trying to build my confidence back up.

What are you riding interest? ie, highway, twisties, backroades, etc.

Use to be highways but now backroads







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Thats all well and good until them "zippin around a mountain pass" causes them to lose control and slam into a car killing people who were on their way home or to the store or just out enjoying life...
I agree, I am no internet goody two shoes, but I take extra precaution not to do any stupid things if it might harm other folks. I could not live with myself.

If I can see 5 miles up the highway and no one is near I have been known to exceed the limit by a hundred or so miles per hour But not on a motorcycle...to dangerous
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dang its rough....when I go up to our family place in Blairsville 129 or 60 there usually some of them going wide open....and if it was just them they would probably do OK but with the mix of cars and bicyclers just too many things to go wrong....I've noticed a step up in LEO thought on the roads.
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Some people do get a hard skin after seeing stupidity and death for a number of years. But you need to remember that you may be the one that needs the help one day and pray that a person driving by doesn't have the same self-centered attitude that some of the previous posters have had.

I have ridden Blood Mtn on my Harley a few times. Some of the turns really sneak up on you. An unexperienced rider can get into trouble in the blink of an eye.

Accidents happen all the time. Even more often when something is involved that people get a thrill from. Speed is one of the biggest risk factors.
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I run blood in my stang all the time. Very fun road and its pretty close to me. So does the same thoughts some have here go for the car enthusiast on that road?
YES, If you are driving that road like it's your own personal race track. There are people driving that road with families, or they may not have the same "Skills" as the stang driver. Personally, I hope they start patrolling that road more.
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Oh they patrol the road had a cop grab a few of my group there at the church. Blood is no diff than tail of the dragon it'll always be used by enthusiast and there will always be some that push the edge too far. Also I do not own the road but I enjoy a day on the road so sue me for living lol. I'm as careful as one can be. I do not drive or ever have drove a bike though I consider them to be on a diff level than a car much more dangerous.
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Oh they patrol the road had a cop grab a few of my group there at the church. Blood is no diff than tail of the dragon it'll always be used by enthusiast and there will always be some that push the edge too far. Also I do not own the road but I enjoy a day on the road so sue me for living lol. I'm as careful as one can be. I do not drive or ever have drove a bike though I consider them to be on a diff level than a car much more dangerous.
That could happen, which is why I take my thrill seeking very serious and make sure no one has a chance to be injured by my stupid stunts. A winding road full of families is no where to be wreckless.
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Hey anything can happen..driving wreckless or not is all I'm saying.
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You tube ruff ryders, if she was a member of theirs then she pushed the limits. Either way any loss of life is sad and tragic.I grew up on dirt bikes, I am covered in scars and have broken several bones from all the accidents. I always wanted a crotch rocket, but looking back, I have no doubt I would no longer be around, I'm to extreme when it comes to this. I'm probably one of very few that knows from experience a dodge caravan (minivan) shuts off at 111mph. Several years ago my cousin bought a crotch rocket, two days after he bought it I was at his house for a party, he let me take it down the road at ten o'clock at night. I've never even been on it before and I go up the road and come flying by his driveway doing 120 likes it nothing. These bikes are made to go fast and it causes people to push the limit.
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Hey anything can happen..driving wreckless or not is all I'm saying.
Its funny you say that, I calculate very carefully what the outcome could be before I do stupid stuff and most times the calculations cause me not to do it.
I cherish the times that I end up in the position that no matter what I do, It should not hurt someone else.

I came up on a accident on I-20 where I was first in line as they blocked the highway for 30 minutes. When I was allowed to go I calculated that every officer in town was at the crash, the road was clear for miles, so I let it hang out. I did not pass anyone and didn't even see a car while I was doing this stupid act.

Lets keep in mind, I do stupid stuff and if you're doing stuff I wont even do .....then.....you know
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Oh they patrol the road had a cop grab a few of my group there at the church. Blood is no diff than tail of the dragon it'll always be used by enthusiast and there will always be some that push the edge too far. Also I do not own the road but I enjoy a day on the road so sue me for living lol. I'm as careful as one can be. I do not drive or ever have drove a bike though I consider them to be on a diff level than a car much more dangerous.
I guess as long as you're "careful as one can be". That makes it alright. I'm sure that the people you scare the bejesus out of when you run up on them, are fine as long as you're being "as careful as one can be"
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