12GA FH- Hairy Shotgun/Rifle-

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Just visiting here to tell about our
12GA From ****videos on Youtube, and a
little info about our ongoing work. If you
have questions please ask. Here is pic of our
12GA FH cartridge on the right. 2nd picture
is the Savage 210, we shot it from. we put
on heavy barrel and weighted gun.Ed Hubel

The videos are called--

Grandpa's First Shot
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Grandpa's Cannon
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The first 12GA FH was Robs on AR forum, my Savage was 2nd.
Here is closeup pic of Rob's 12GA FH, a Borchardt falling block
action. Real nice. In picture is along brass 12ga case with one
of Rob's 2000gr bore rider, solid, streamlined slugs. Ed

I've got a couple of questions Ed,
Do you have any idea in FT/LBS what the free recoil of that beast is?
What kind of velocitys are you getting with various weights of slugs? I'm especially curious about that 2000gr job:bounce:

If bigger is better then thats gotta be one of the best :love:
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Moderate Hunting speeds-That 2000gr Rob gets 14-1500.
In my Savage 600gr 2700, 870gr 2300. Hot loads are more.
Rob's gun is over 25 lbs so recoil isn't to bad. My savage
is 23 lbs. My Nef chambered for long case is 15 lbs.Ed
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Here is picture of a neat scaled up Sharps replica
that would handle out 12GA FH and my 700HE.
That outside hammer looks great. From a magazine
article in Very High Power...Ed

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Fun- Some like hopped up cars, tractors, boats, horses....
We like hopped up guns. The challenge of doing
the impossible, the experimenting, something special that
only 1 of million does. Ed
Fun- Some like hopped up cars, tractors, boats, horses....
We like hopped up guns. The challenge of doing
the impossible, the experimenting, something special that
only 1 of million does. Ed
ohhhhh ok. didn't know if you were planning on hunting big foot or something?
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Glad to help get us all turned to childlike curiosity.
Here is picture of a dart type 12ga slug Rob made. Body
is aluminum, it has a heavy tungsten carbide insert in the
nose. The TC in the nose is about 5 times denser than AL.
Total length is 2.35 inches, weight about 950 gr. The .75" long
insert a real tight type fit. Heat AL, put in insert, cools, locks on.
It is fairly streamlined, yet has wide meplat for penetration
in game. Flat points penetrate straighter in game.
It is hollow inside in the back, behind insert which puts the
center of gravity way up front, it should fly straight even from
a smoothbore. They are fast to make and material
less expense than copper.In pic is a copper and a brass 600
cal slugs for comparison. Dart/slug on right has insert.Ed

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Here are more samples of nice 12ga slugs.....Here is pic of
ones RG Henson sent. Jacketed 12ga. 715gr hollowpoints,
on the right and in front a jkt 675gr hollowbase.
RG's number 1-770-366-4846. These will be great for
shorter plastic and brass cases as well as long cases.
Other slugs in pic, in the back, left to right
Foster 436gr- Dixie 600gr- 750gr brass- my 750gr hollowbase
brass, and a hollowpoint I put a lightweight filler in the nose
for streamlining..Ed

Hubel 458 I find your shotgun experimentation very interesting.I've been trying to figure out how to load sabot slugs using muzzleloader bullets for a rifled slug barrel. I cant find a source for the components used by the major ammo manufacturers. I did find an interesting article on duplex sabots a while back but there was no mention of components used. Any Ideas or suggestions?


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I've only found one saboted slug that will group consistantly in my savage 210 and they are HIGH the Remington 385 gr. cheapest I can get them is $20 for 5:hair: they group real well at 100 yards but drop over a foot at 200 yards start out at 1875 fps do your experiments group well?