Another sad case

bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
I have thought those same thoughts. Why do these things happen? It is natural to wonder why? It seems unfair. I dont have all the answers you are looking for. But I have felt his presence. You are free to believe whatever you choose based on your experiences and research and I am free to do the same. You came up with a different conclusion than I did. I like to try and understand why people think what they think and how they came to think that. Peace be with you.
Always liked you Richie, but I wouldn't want to touch it with a 10ft pole if I was a believer either. PBWY too.
 

WaltL1

Senior Member

bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
Are you going deer hunting up to that turkey lodge you keep hammering those gobblers on this year?
No. Its too busy for me to get away that time of year. But my buddies have killed some flat out Hammers there.
But lets not change the subject:cheers:
 

bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
I don't really have an opinion, I have to lean on scripture.

I wouldn't call them men of god or God.

James 1: 13 - 15

1 Peter 5:8

Matthew 5:45

Why do bad things happen to innocent people? I only know this, I pray daily for the protection of my kids and family. James 5:16

I readily admit I don't have all the answers, and I do have some questions myself. But I get more benefit and am better off in every measure from my faith and staying in it than I was when I stepped away from it long enough explore.
I have to ask,even though I agree about those priests not being men of god,,, who would know that? Who would be the only thing capable to see into their hearts and do something about it early on before they gain the trust of those children? Who could be in place with the insight to forsee it and the power to prevent it? Who could let it go all the way to the point where action proved intent and could stop it as soon as hands were laid on the child?

Who with that power looked the other way?
 

red neck richie

Senior Member
I have to ask,even though I agree about those priests not being men of god,,, who would know that? Who would be the only thing capable to see into their hearts and do something about it early on before they gain the trust of those children? Who could be in place with the insight to forsee it and the power to prevent it? Who could let it go all the way to the point where action proved intent and could stop it as soon as hands were laid on the child?

Who with that power looked the other way?
I see what your trying to do there.:devilish:
 

Spotlite

Resident Homesteader
I have to ask,even though I agree about those priests not being men of god,,, who would know that? Who would be the only thing capable to see into their hearts and do something about it early on before they gain the trust of those children? Who could be in place with the insight to forsee it and the power to prevent it? Who could let it go all the way to the point where action proved intent and could stop it as soon as hands were laid on the child?

Who with that power looked the other way?
In this case, the Church has a history of this and has failed to listen to the victims, at least according to the church leader that was interviewed on the talk show this morning. You can’t ignore situations and fault anyone else. When I say that, I don’t believe that every Catholic member has ignored this. I imagine there are many in disbelief and surprised that it happened.

In general, as nature has it, the lion preys on the weak.

It’s not just church, look at the number of innocent people that get scammed in insurance fraud or taken advantage of in other aspects.

Controlling man sort of goes against whosever will.

Edited to add: What about the parents? Do they not check out who they trust their child with? What about these same parents at school? Did they just trust what happens behind closed doors? Did they ever talk to their children to find out things? I know at my church every Sunday school room and office has windows that are mirrored on the inside so you can’t get distracted from people looking in.
 
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bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
0-2 on any mention of who could have prevented these things. It sounds like a lot of buck passing is going on here. Why does God get credit for all the good and not a mention when he drops the ball?
 

Miguel Cervantes

Jedi Master
I once worked with a fella that was a Jehovah's Witness. We got in to many discussions about Christianity that usually ended with him getting all red faced and storming out of the office. One of the biggest was their belief against receiving blood transfusions. I posed the question; if you had a child that needed blood you would let him die instead of giving him the available medical care and blood and he issued and emphatic yes.

Twisted bunch of folks out there with their cult beliefs.
 

bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
I once worked with a fella that was a Jehovah's Witness. We got in to many discussions about Christianity that usually ended with him getting all red faced and storming out of the office. One of the biggest was their belief against receiving blood transfusions. I posed the question; if you had a child that needed blood you would let him die instead of giving him the available medical care and blood and he issued and emphatic yes.

Twisted bunch of folks out there with their cult beliefs.
Yeah, like eating the body and drinking the blood of who they worship. Nutty
 

Spotlite

Resident Homesteader
0-2 on any mention of who could have prevented these things. It sounds like a lot of buck passing is going on here. Why does God get credit for all the good and not a mention when he drops the ball?
If you continually stick your hand out there for the dog to bite, you can blame God all you want but whose fault is it?

This organization repeatedly has the same growing issue and parents are aware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_by_country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

I get the feeling that some look to God as a socialist dictator where people have no responsibility.

The good people in the Catholic Church need to figure out how young kids and priests are given enough private time for these incidents to happen and reshape their policies to prevent it. I know of no other organization where this is prevalent.
 

Spotlite

Resident Homesteader
No not all, pretty much just the cult type stuff that you referred to.


Communion has absolutely nothing to do with "eating flesh" and "drinking blood" in the physical manner that so many try to use to beat the Christian up with. I laugh every time it is pointed out by someone that claims to know the Bible and having done so much research.
 

WaltL1

Senior Member
I once worked with a fella that was a Jehovah's Witness. We got in to many discussions about Christianity that usually ended with him getting all red faced and storming out of the office. One of the biggest was their belief against receiving blood transfusions. I posed the question; if you had a child that needed blood you would let him die instead of giving him the available medical care and blood and he issued and emphatic yes.

Twisted bunch of folks out there with their cult beliefs.
Just a comment on the seemingly popular use of the word "cult" by Christians to describe "them" but certainly not "us".....
I think you/they forget your history of Christianity..
 

bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
If you continually stick your hand out there for the dog to bite, you can blame God all you want but whose fault is it?

This organization repeatedly has the same growing issue and parents are aware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_by_country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

I get the feeling that some look to God as a socialist dictator where people have no responsibility.

The good people in the Catholic Church need to figure out how young kids and priests are given enough private time for these incidents to happen and reshape their policies to prevent it. I know of no other organization where this is prevalent.
What you are missing is that I am certain that there is no one else to blame but people. 100% people.

I am trying to get you to see that. I am trying to point out the ridiculousness of the mindset and claims that there is an All Loving, All knowing, All powerful being that looks out for his "children". I am constantly told that this god makes it a point to grant prayers and right the wrongs. I am told this god changes the outcome of bad situations.
Well, if that is true , where the heck has he been through all this? I mean if there ever was a time to show his presence and make a stand against evil wouldn't priests using his name to do their dirty deeds be the ABSOLUTE BEST time to step in? Even once?

No spotlite I do not blame God, but the believers who continually regurgitate his existence and involvement in everything else automatically involve him in these matters. At the very least he is guilty by association if he doesn't exist and horribly unworthy of praise or worship if he does exist due to his unwillingness or inability to step in.
 
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bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
Communion has absolutely nothing to do with "eating flesh" and "drinking blood" in the physical manner that so many try to use to beat the Christian up with. I laugh every time it is pointed out by someone that claims to know the Bible and having done so much research.
Then Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, has eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, dwells in me, and I in him.” [Joh 6:53-56]
What would a 7 year old think?
How about a tribe who never heard of Jesus or the bible?
 

bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/transubstantiation-for-beginners

"In the previous chapter the apostle wrote, "The blessing-cup that we bless is a communion with the blood of Christ, and the bread that we break is communion with the body of Christ" (1 Cor. 11:16). His words are clear. The only possible meaning is that the bread and wine at the consecration become Christ's actual body and blood. Evidently Paul believed that the words Christ had said at the Last Supper, "This is my Body," meant that really and physically the bread is his body. In fact Christ was not merely saying that the bread was his body; he was decreeing that it should be so and that it is so.
 

bullethead

Of the hard cast variety
Communion has absolutely nothing to do with "eating flesh" and "drinking blood" in the physical manner that so many try to use to beat the Christian up with. I laugh every time it is pointed out by someone that claims to know the Bible and having done so much research.
Transubstantiation.
It is EXACTLY eating the Flesh and drinking the Blood of Christ.
 
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