Anti-Gunners out in full force

Y'all keep talking about war. What will be the tipping point for you? What is it that will make you lock and load and start shooting?

The 1934 NFA didn't do it.
The 1968 gun control act didn't do it.
Forcing us to get a permit to exercise a God-given right named and protected in the Constitution didn't do it.
Restrictions on "the manner" in which you carry didn't do it.
The 1986 gun ban didn't do it.
The 1989 gun ban didn't do it.
The 1994 assault weapons ban didn't do it.
Forcing us to do background checks didn't do it.
Form 4473 didn't do it.
Door to door gun confiscation in New Orleans didn't do it.
Bump stock ban didn't do it.
 
What will be the tipping point for you? What is it that will make you lock and load and start shooting?
I'll know it when I see it. How 'bout you? What's your absolute "That's it, I'm unloading every mag I got into the crowd until they kill me" point?
 
I'll know it when I see it. How 'bout you? What's your absolute "That's it, I'm unloading every mag I got into the crowd until they kill me" point?
Seriously, though. "War" and the kind of individual, "I'll kill'em til they kill me" strategy are two different things. Taken as a group, American gun owners are the largest militia in the world. As a group is also pretty much the only way they'd be able to withstand the government onslaught.

Given that the supposed triggering events I listed above didn't produce cohesive action on a national scale, what would?
 

PopPop

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Seriously, though. "War" and the kind of individual, "I'll kill'em til they kill me" strategy are two different things. Taken as a group, American gun owners are the largest militia in the world. As a group is also pretty much the only way they'd be able to withstand the government onslaught.

Given that the supposed triggering events I listed above didn't produce cohesive action on a national scale, what would?
Each of those events had an effect, the time between them stifled it some. Now the new legislation is effecting more people, building in both frequency and scope, making the ultimate goal easier to recognize and people are reaching their limits. Who knows where the spark will come from but I think the tinder is there.
 
I was talking about 20% of gun owners, but your right, that’s still a fair amount. The problem is they’ll get some of that 80% to flip on the other 20.
Personally, I don't think there is going to be a war. Most of those people the other side is counting on have never even been in a fist fight. As for the military, they are going to be disappointed if they are counting on them to put the rest of us down. Very few will go along with it.
 

PopPop

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Personally, I don't think there is going to be a war. Most of those people the other side is counting on have never even been in a fist fight. As for the military, they are going to be disappointed if they are counting on them to put the rest of us down. Very few will go along with it.
Those who march are useful Idiots, those who fund them and organize them are something else.
 
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dwhee87

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They just haven't thought of this yet...
Well, there was that one bill in the GA House that said all men over 55 had to notify authorities anytime they released any sperm to the wild. Does that count?
 

lbzdually

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I watched an hour long documentary of the Clivin Bundy/BLM standoff on Youtube. The journalist who put the video together got the body cam footage of BLM agents wishing one of the thousands of Bundy supporters would shoot or make a mistake so he could shoot. They were willing to shoot and kill Americans over cattle and grazing rights. Imagine how fun these commandos would get in marching door to door and daring one of us to fight back. I'm thinking hinged trap doors under my deck entrances with river cane sticks sharpened to a point to stop or delay their advance.
 

Israel

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Well, if they believe confiscating/banning guns will reduce gun violence, then they must also believe, and therefore aggressively pursue, that men must cut off something to reduce rape violence.........
LOL...not to mention what will happen when they discover the "masses" are carbon dioxide machines...even make it in their sleep.
We'll probably get mercifully shipped to an island in hopes we will tip it over...
 
Seriously, though. "War" and the kind of individual, "I'll kill'em til they kill me" strategy are two different things. Taken as a group, American gun owners are the largest militia in the world. As a group is also pretty much the only way they'd be able to withstand the government onslaught.

Given that the supposed triggering events I listed above didn't produce cohesive action on a national scale, what would?

My Unedumacated guestification is that "cohesive action" will be a slippery, elusive, and staggering unicorn. I doubt there will be anything like a coordinated general uprising. American gun owners are not "A" group (unless, maybe, a foreign power were to invade with uniformed armies). The very people who will end up doing the shooting, and much of the dying, are NOT new "militia" joiners. The patriots who will act, will also be the ones who wait out the bluster, hope there is no war, and approach the inevitable like it is a nest of stirred up diamondbacks.

That does not mean I don't think the conflict will happen, or that patriots will continue to roll over and do nothing. You identified a series of increasingly intrusive federal laws, rules and restrictions which did not get a rise out of the opposition. It is true, supporters of the meaning and intent of the US constitution have not taken arms and risen up to overthrow an ever more onerous central government. And it is NOT just attacks on the 2nd amendment.

Read the constitution and tell me how FDR's 1935 Socialist Security Act meets any reasonable constitutional restriction upon the power of the government over individual people - even if it is transparently misnamed a "tax." Explain how the social engineering plans of the 1960s (welfare, Medicare and more) do NOT violate the purpose, intent, and language of the constitution. Since 1933, the federal government has moved further and further towards a centralized, controlling power almost EXACTLY like the crazy Kings Charlie who sucked value from the North American colonies 'til we said, "enough." The only differences in what we face today are the inane, dysfunctional writings of an unemployable, self centered egomaniac named Karl Marx, who has hypnotised small minded idiots since the 1840s.

You want to know the fuse that will light up patriots unwilling to take up arms against rules and regulations. It will NOT be another "bump stock" rule. The real fuse will come in scattered and unrecognizable sparks of extreme acts against those who recognize there is a problem. The war will begin, not with a declaration of state's rights, but with a series of Antifa riots that hurt women, the unarmed, and kids. The shooting will not start with a "militia" gathering on a town square and moving out to snipe at the 3rdID. The war will begin with a mob trying to break in to an ordinary house to "protest" that the resident keeps firearms - and the resident demonstrating WHY he keeps firearms by empting half a dozen mags of 5.56 into the mob. There will be moments of intense violence, and police calming one group, causing violence from another.

The Army will NOT - at first - participate. In addition to Posse Comitatus, military command will hesitate because they do not know what orders will be obeyed and because they will not attempt to indict themselves by proceeding with clearly illegal orders. Troops will become involved as individuals making sincere decisions, more often than units belatedly ordered to act. Police will not have that protection and will - slowly - show up on many different sides of the growing conflict. It will be messy and confusing.

Contrary to the elitist prognostications, as the conflict widens (if it is not again delayed by a reversal of legislative idiocy), it WILL be a small arms conflict. Modern tech will have a role, but this will not principally be a war of guided 155s, drones sending hellfire from the sky, MOABs, or ICBMs. I doubt Blue helmets will be a factor (most folks here will see the blues as targets) or that even China will try to get involved in the mess. This will be old men shooting at kids. Sheriffs deputies in firefights against city cops. A conflict that will seem to be everyone shooting at anything "federal," including (specifically) 537 people elected by the people.

Pray it does not happen. Buy ammo!
 
I watched an hour long documentary of the Clivin Bundy/BLM standoff on Youtube. The journalist who put the video together got the body cam footage of BLM agents wishing one of the thousands of Bundy supporters would shoot or make a mistake so he could shoot. They were willing to shoot and kill Americans over cattle and grazing rights. Imagine how fun these commandos would get in marching door to door and daring one of us to fight back. I'm thinking hinged trap doors under my deck entrances with river cane sticks sharpened to a point to stop or delay their advance.
We are long overdue for another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
 
Ammo out law ammo not guns confiscate ammo not guns then you still got your just no ammo. People need to buy ammo every payday. Survival food and gold along with ammo.
 

Israel

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What does it take for a man, any man to see...this world is a hopeless place?
But that indeed hope is a real thing...just not "of this world"?
 
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