Appeals court upholds ban on Bible distribution to fifth-graders

Double Barrel BB

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Appeals court upholds ban on Bible distribution to fifth-graders
By JIM SALTER
Associated Press Writer

Aug 22, 2007 - 12:05:56 CDT

ST. LOUIS (AP) — A federal appeals court on Tuesday upheld a lower court ruling that prohibited the distribution of Bibles to grade school students in a southern Missouri school district.

At issue was a long-held practice at South Iron Elementary School in Annapolis, 120 miles southwest of St. Louis, in which Gideons International representatives came to fifth-grade classrooms and gave away Bibles. A U.S. district judge issued a temporary injunction, and a three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis agreed the classroom distribution should be prohibited.

Parents of some students first raised concerns about the Bible distribution in 2005. That fall, the school board voted 4-3 to allow the distribution to continue, even though then-Superintendent Homer Lewis, at the urging of the district’s insurance carrier and attorney, suggested an end to the practice. A day after the vote, the Gideons came to the school and distributed Bibles to both fifth-grade classrooms.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit in February 2006 on behalf of four sets of parents, asking that the district be stopped “from further endorsement of religion.”

All four sets of parents are Christian, said Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU office in St. Louis.

“Their objection is they don’t want the school telling their children what their religious beliefs should be,” Rothert said. “They believe that should be done at home with the family.”

Rothert said the ACLU is asking the district court to issue a permanent injunction banning the Bible distribution program.

Mathew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, a conservative law group based in Florida that represented the school district, said the appeals court ruling concerned a practice no longer in place.

Staver said the district’s current policy allows people or groups to distribute literature — with approval from the district — before or after school or during lunch break, but not in the classrooms. The new policy is open to religious groups beyond the Gideons, he said, and is the subject of a pending court ruling at the district court level.

“That policy we will vigorously defend because we believe it’s a constitutionally sound policy,” Staver said. “It will provide for others, including the Gideons, the right to distribute literature.”

The district in Iron County has fewer than 500 students and just two schools — the grade school and South Iron High School. The rural county sits in the heart of the nation’s so-called Bible Belt and includes dozens of churches.

Gideons International, based in Nashville, Tenn., distributes more than 63 million Bibles worldwide each year, according to the organization’s Web site. A spokesman did not return a phone call seeking comment.
 

Festus

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An interesting point which I agree with...

All four sets of parents (that filed suit) are Christian, said Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU office in St. Louis.

“Their objection is they don’t want the school telling their children what their religious beliefs should be,” Rothert said. “They believe that should be done at home with the family.”
 

PWalls

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Gideons do not preach or set up a podium and teach anyone about Scripture.

They pass out New Testaments. They hand out the book. That is it. If a student asks a question, they will answer it, but they are not going to these schools trying to evangalize anyone.
 

Festus

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Gideons do not preach or set up a podium and teach anyone about Scripture.

They pass out New Testaments. They hand out the book. That is it. If a student asks a question, they will answer it, but they are not going to these schools trying to evangalize anyone.

Would it bother you if someone came to pass out the Quran, the Jewish bible or Buddist bible to the 5th grade class instead?
 

PWalls

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Would it bother you if someone came to pass out the Quran, the Jewish bible or Buddist bible to the 5th grade class instead?

Nope.

Edited: Actually, I just read closer where you said "intead". So, yes I would have a problem with the discrimination. If you meant "as well" or "also", then nope.
 

Festus

Senior Member
Nope.

Edited: Actually, I just read closer where you said "intead". So, yes I would have a problem with the discrimination. If you meant "as well" or "also", then nope.

We're in agreement. However I'm sure plenty of others, depending on their religious affiliation feel differently.
The easiest thing to do is not allow any religious organization to pass out their material at a "public" school.
 

Vernon Holt

Gone But Not Forgotten
Sad commentary. As a Gideon of some 40 plus years I can tell you that one of life's great pleasures for me has come from looking into the glowing eyes of fifth graders when handed a little red copy of the New Testament.

Gideons receive countless numbers of letters from these children expressing how pleased they are to have their own little Bible. In many instances this may be the only copy of God's word in the household.

The children are told that the testaments are available to as many as desire them. There is no coersion.

This fact remains. Even though satan may strive against it, God's word shall not return unto him void, but shall accomplish that which he pleases.

As an afterthought, I am not at all pleased with some of the materials being passed out by educators today.
 

PWalls

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This fact remains. Even though satan may strive against it, God's word shall not return unto him void, but shall accomplish that which he pleases.

And that is why I have no problem with someone passing out the Hindu or Bhuddist "bible" or whatever. If a Gideon is allowed to do the same thing with the New Testament, the Living Word of God will come through.

Thanks for the post Mr. Vernon and thanks for being a Gideon. The service twice a year where the Gideon comes and speaks at church and tells their accounts is wonderful and I love to hear it.
 
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