Can a Man Be Saved from Sin or Born Again More Than Once?

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When Paul spoke of the flesh he referred to the sins of the flesh, as in Gal. 5:19-21. He added that "they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" The were going back to idolatry again, and he was afraid his labour had been in vain (Gal. 3:8-11). He told them to stand fast in liberty wherewith Christ had made them free, and stated that they were "fallen from grace" (Gal. 5:1-7). He plainly told them that "once in grace always in grace " was not true in their case.
He told those who had not fallen how to restore those who had fallen: "Brethren if a man be overtaken in a fault [Greek, sin], ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted" (Gal. 6:1). This proves that saved men can sin and must be restored to be saved. He warned that those who had not sinned should take heed lest they also sin. If a man who has sinned needs restoration, then he needs the new birth as much as any other sinner, and must have again moral change that comes with the new birth, or be lost like any other sinner. (Gal. 5:19-21). Paul continued by telling the Galatians that what a man sowed he would reap. This applies to the saint as well as the sinner. How often a man sows, that often he will reap (Gal. 6:7, 8). A man might as well argue, once sowed always sowed, and no reaping is necessary, or once reaped always reaped, and no sowing again is possible, as to argue once in grace always in grace. Such line of reasoning is illogical and foolish, and nothing is to be gained except deceiving oneself if one wants to sin and still believe he is saved.
 
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In Romans, Paul teaches that men become dead to sin or dead to righteousness when they serve the one or the other. As often as men change masters they become dead to one or the other, thus proving they can have a spiritual quickening as many times as is necessary. It is God's will that men die only once to sin (Rom. 6:5-10), but if they go back into sin, the same process will have to be repeated (1 John 2:1, 2; James 5:19, 20; Gal. 4:19; 6:1; Rev. 3:5).
 
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In Ephesians, Paul teaches that men are dead in sins when living in them, and salvation quickens them and makes them alive unto God. If ever men go back into sins, they are dead in sins again and need the same quickening as before (Eph. 2:1-9). The same is taught in Col. 2:11-13.
 
In Ephesians, Paul teaches that men are dead in sins when living in them, and salvation quickens them and makes them alive unto God. If ever men go back into sins, they are dead in sins again and need the same quickening as before (Eph. 2:1-9). The same is taught in Col. 2:11-13.
But brother, consider this:

John 13:10
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

(the washing of regeneration)
 
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In Hebrews, Paul teaches that men should go on to perfection instead of having to be renewed in repentance (Heb. 6:1). If renewal is necessary, he teaches that the foundation of repentance should be laid again. This shows that men can be renewed from "dead works" to "faith toward God" more than once. Only apostates cannot be "renewed" to repentance (Heb. 6:4-9; 10:26-29; 2 Pet. 2:20,21).
 

barryl

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In Romans, Paul teaches that men become dead to sin or dead to righteousness when they serve the one or the other. As often as men change masters they become dead to one or the other, thus proving they can have a spiritual quickening as many times as is necessary. It is God's will that men die only once to sin (Rom. 6:5-10), but if they go back into sin, the same process will have to be repeated (1 John 2:1, 2; James 5:19, 20; Gal. 4:19; 6:1; Rev. 3:5).
Banjo Picker, I want to ask a couple questions, are you saying " If He is not Lord of all, He is not Lord at all " ? Eradicate the flesh ? Sinless perfection ?
 

Israel

Senior Member
But brother, consider this:

John 13:10
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

(the washing of regeneration)
yes. and "if I do not wash you, you have no part with me".
Peter plays for keeps..."then do the whole thing".

What men Peters are, in not even hearing...themselves! It is good that Jesus prayed for those who "know not what they do"...or...who then can be saved?
 
Regeneration is a one time, all over , permanent washing.

Conversion,on the other hand, is a thing that is needful many times.

...as many times as Satan may be allowed to "sift us as wheat".
 
In Ephesians, Paul teaches that men are dead in sins when living in them, and salvation quickens them and makes them alive unto God. If ever men go back into sins, they are dead in sins again and need the same quickening as before (Eph. 2:1-9). The same is taught in Col. 2:11-13.
If this is true then wouldn't one have to also get baptized after each quickening?

What is the scriptures definition of "go back into sins?" One sin, two, a lustful thought? I just can't see loving Father doing this to his children.

Paul teaches this in Corinthians 6:11-12
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 12“Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be mastered by anything.
 
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  1. Jesus Himself taught a reconversion and a rebirth more than once, for this He required of backsliders in the early Church: "Thou hast left thy first love. remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do thy first works; or else I will . . . remove thy candlestick" (Rev. 2:4, 5 ). What were their first works? Did they not have to be converted and born again? Or were they always saved? He required the same repentance of all churches that fell (Rev. 2:16, 21-26; 3:3, 15, 16). If He would remove a whole church if it would not repent. He certainly would do this to individuals.
 
What does baptism do?
First let me say that I'm not advocating getting baptized more than once.

I'm assuming you mean by water. To me it's a sacrament of your spiritual quickening. So if one was quickened by the Holy Spirit then it would be a slap in the face to God if he needed to be constantly quickened.

I don't think the need for constant repentance means God's children are dead in sins again. If it does then I'd think one would need to get baptized each time he is quickened.
 
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Jesus taught His disciples to forgive men 490 times, if need be (Matt. 18:21-35; Luke 17:1-5). Would He expect something of men that God would not do? As many times as a man sins against another, that many times he is a sinner against that man and the same process has to be gone through before the sin can be forgiven. So it is with man and God. One sin, as we have seen, will cut a man off from God, and the person committing the sin must go through the process of repentance and a moral change each time before he is forgiven and restored to full fellowship with God.
 

Madman

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The short answer to the OP is yes.

I was saved. 2 Corinthians 5:17
I am being saved. 1 Corinthians 15:2
I will be saved. Rom 5:9
 
In short !!!! I have read many of the replies about Salvation . It is so easy but yet so complicated . I am a Pastor and always tend to go to Calvary for the answer . Luke 23:43 Jesus tells the accused that through his belief in Him, that today you shall be with me in Paradise and I believe that through our belief we are saved. Futhermore I know that we suffer from Sin and therefore search for answers instead of just believing . The Leper who came to Christ after the Sermon on the Mount proclaimed Christ heal me if you will , belief, ( remember that leporsy was considered a sin related disease ) and Christ spoke I am willing . When we're saved Christ cover us with his Blood and heals us from Sin. I know that nothing is able to wash away the Blood of Jesus .

Remember Christ told Nicodemus you must be born again . In all Births theirs a fertilization of a seed then a gestation peroid and then a birth . So of us take longer to gestate , but when you're born you never forget it .
 
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In Luke 15, Jesus taught about a "lost sheep" a "lost coin" and a "prodigal-son." Each started out in the right relationship to the owners and the father, and each was received back again when found. It would be stupid to argue that the "sheep" or the "coin" or the "boy" could not be lost again and again, and be found again and again, and be found again and again. It would be equally foolish to argue that the sheep never was a sheep, or the coin never was a coin, or the boy never was a boy if they became lost and were never found again. Many prodigals never have returned home and many sheep and coins have been lost forever. It would be worse still to argue that the boy never at home to begin with, or that he never was a son if he ever was lost, or that the sheep was never a sheep or the coin never was a coin if they were lost forever. This is what some argue concerning saved men, saying, "If a man is finally lost, or if he backslides, he was not saved or a son of God to begin with."
We all know the process of seeking and finding a sheep, a coin, or a boy every so many times would be the same in all instances. The joy of the owner and father upon finding either of these would always be the same, if he were a normal human being. So with a man, if he is saved and goes back into sin a dozen times, he must go the same way back to God; and unless he has committed the unpardonable sin, he will be forgiven and renewed by God to life each time. If the new birth is needful the first time, it will be needful every time a man goes back into sin and becomes a sinner. It is a moral change, as we have seen; so one can be unborn by a moral fall as much as he can be "born again" by a moral restoration by God. How many times the new birth or the moral restoration is needful, that many times the same process will work to fully restore a fallen man. The same process in a moral restoration will work many times, just like any process of restoration in any realm.
 
if Biblical scholars have argued the 'once saved, always saved', and the 'sanctification' ideas of salvation for thousands of years and can't come to a conclusion, what chance of solving the issue do you think we have?

I can tell you a few things....
1. God calls us all to repentance
2. God says if we repent, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved.
3. The Bible says God will never leave us or forsake us.
4. The Bible also says that we should be growing in our spiritual walk daily.
5. If I listen to God, He will make any areas of transgression known to me, and it is
up to me to act on that knowledge.
6. God loves us all, and wishes that no one should perish, so that tells me He has
provided everything we need to be saved. We just have to follow the plan
 

Big7

Senior Member
James: Faith without works is dead.

Regular confession and penance cleanses the soul.

I feel sorry for folks that believes a simple declaration of being "saved" or "born again"
can not fall from grace.

Just sayin'
 

j_seph

Senior Member
if Biblical scholars have argued the 'once saved, always saved', and the 'sanctification' ideas of salvation for thousands of years and can't come to a conclusion, what chance of solving the issue do you think we have?

I can tell you a few things....
1. God calls us all to repentance
2. God says if we repent, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved.
3. The Bible says God will never leave us or forsake us.
4. The Bible also says that we should be growing in our spiritual walk daily.
5. If I listen to God, He will make any areas of transgression known to me, and it is
up to me to act on that knowledge.
6. God loves us all, and wishes that no one should perish, so that tells me He has
provided everything we need to be saved. We just have to follow the plan
7. work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
 
if Biblical scholars have argued the 'once saved, always saved', and the 'sanctification' ideas of salvation for thousands of years and can't come to a conclusion, what chance of solving the issue do you think we have?

I can tell you a few things....
1. God calls us all to repentance
2. God says if we repent, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved.
3. The Bible says God will never leave us or forsake us.
4. The Bible also says that we should be growing in our spiritual walk daily.
5. If I listen to God, He will make any areas of transgression known to me, and it is
up to me to act on that knowledge.
6. God loves us all, and wishes that no one should perish, so that tells me He has
provided everything we need to be saved. We just have to follow the plan
In all those thousands of years I don’t think anyone has ever said it better. Now don’t you wish you had thought of it? Just kidding.
 
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