cheap shot by kerry and edwards

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mpowell

Senior Member
i completely disagree w/ what john edwards did in last debate and what john kerry did in tonight's debate--both brought up the lesbian daughter of VP cheney.

they might think they're being cute, but i think it's a cheap shot all the way. bringing up a point like that WILL NOT help there cause whatsoever. and, the way kerry said it tonight was in such a gratuitous manner it made me want to puke.

kerry doesn't know cheney's daughter personally and shouldn't begin to make comments concerning her sexuality. that's her business, not his. now, if she were making it an issue and discussing it outright in this campaign, i'd consider her fair game. but, using her as a pawn should not only be frowned upon by straight people but even more by homosexuals.

what do the rest of you think???
 

Howard Roark

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Here is the transcripts from one question.

Transcript of Kerry's Weird Response on Gay Marriage [Not Just the Cheney Daughter Thing]


Posted on 10/13/2004 10:58:53 PM EDT by Diago


SCHIEFFER: Senator Kerry?

KERRY: We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to **** Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as.

I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it.

And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them.

KERRY: I think we have to respect that.

The president and I share the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe that. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

But I also believe that because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people.

You can't disallow someone the right to visit their partner in a hospital. You have to allow people to transfer property, which is why I'm for partnership rights and so forth.

Now, with respect to DOMA and the marriage laws, the states have always been able to manage those laws. And they're proving today, every state, that they can manage them adequately.
 

huntnnut

GONetwork Member
I agree 100% and I also think he shot himself in the foot by claiming he had married up by marrying Ms. Heinz as if them and the others wives were not up to par with them.
 
Don't get me wrong Nut I am not a Kerry fan but I think he meant that he married way above "his" head. To me he was referring to the fact that the others (GWB and the moderator) were better looking fellas and should have gotten a pretty wife and he got way more than he should have. I am not defending him just passing on what I took from the comment.
 
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mpowell

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daddypaul--i agree. i think kerry was trying to give a plug for his nutcase wife. hey, he loves her. guess everyone's got to be loved!

personally, i think bush's wife is way more attractive than heinz. and, his daughters are not too bad themselves!
 

Schulze

Senior Member
mpowell when he said he upgraded he meant it. First wife only had 100 mill not near a billion.
 
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mpowell

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you know what they say--you can marry more in a day than you can make in a lifetime!

kerry just happened to do it twice. what kind of luck . . . guess it's cause he's fluent in french. maybe i need a beret. nahh, too monica lewinsky for my tastes!

heinz might have a little cash but she's still not my type. now, if she was a 5'7" blonde, mid/upper twenties, yeah, that's more my style--whether she was rich or not!
 

GeauxLSU

Senior Member
Pretty sure that "married up" comment was purely a financial joke.
As far as referencing Cheney's daughter, I'm sure the Cheney's don't appreciate it but what does Kerry care? It's all about getting ANY and EVERY vote he can. You've got to pander. I don't think it will backfire.
I like the fact Bush ASKED FOR our vote in his closing statement.
Kerry's a zero, but he may win folks...
GO VOTE!!!!! :flag:
Hunt/fish safely,
Phil
 

Howard Roark

Retired Moderator
Firestorm Erupts Over Kerry's 'Lesbian' Attack
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/14/04 | With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff



The White House blasted John Kerry Wednesday night for outing Vice President **** Cheney's daughter as a "lesbian" during the third and final presidential debate.

"I don't think it was appropriate to bring in the private life of Vice President Cheney and his daughter into this debate at all," White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett told Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity.

"I thought it was inappropriate and I don't think people like that type of personal politics being brought into the campaign this late in the game," he complained.

Kerry referred to Mary Cheney as a "lesbian" in answer to a question about whether he thought homosexuality was a choice.

"I think if you were to talk to **** Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as," Kerry told debate moderator Bob Schieffer.

While Ms. Cheney's sexuality had been previously reported, the information was likely news to most debate watchers.

As the controversy heated up over Kerry's lesbian reference, his campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill said that Mary Cheney's sexuality was "fair game."

"There are a lot of questions here about gay marriage and she is someone who's a major figure in the campaign. I think it's fair game," Cahill told Fox.

At least one debate focus group reacted sharply when Sen. Kerry mentioned Ms. Cheney's sexuality.

"That got a very negative reaction in the focus group," said Fox debate correspondent Jim Angle, who noted that even reporters were disturbed by the stunt. "Here in the pressroom, there was a low groan when Sen. Kerry mentioned that," he said.

Fox debate panelist Mort Kondracke said Kerry's "outing" of Mary Cheney was a calculated effort to damage the Bush Cheney ticket in the eyes of conservative voters.

"I think it was totally underhanded - the outing of **** Cheney's lesbian daughter. . . And it struck me as a low blow designed to weaken the Bush Cheney team with right wingers who might not know that **** Cheney has a lesbian daughter," he said.

"I think it's dirty pool on the Kerry Edwards campaign's part."

Fox panelist Bill Kristol agreed, and wondered if the Kerry campaign would have to apologize for the gaffe.

"What John Kerry said was unbelieveable," he complained, zeroing in Mary Beth Cahill's "fair game" reference.

"What has Mary Cheney done to make herself 'fair game' for John Kerry to gratuitously introduce this in the debate? I wonder if Kerry's not going to have to apologize tomorrow."

Former Clinton strategist **** Morris said Kerry's lesbian tactic was "horrible" and "vicious."

"Its worse than the private detectives Bill and Hillary used to use" against opponents, he told Fox.
 

JBowers

Senior Member
I disagree. Cheney's family and his daughter have been open about her lifestyle. Considering this adminstration's stance and the obvious contradiction for a senior member of the Administration, it is fair game, a valid point that should be made, and was done in very repsectful, tasteful and non-incendiary manner.

When one makes a personal matter public, it isn't personal anymore. This issue is no more off-limits than Clinton's sexual escapades, unless one is playing the hypocrytical partsian politics double-standard.

As for marrying up, how many of you are willing to sincerely tell your wife that you married down? If you are, then it was nice knowing you. End of discussion.
 

Mechanicaldawg

Roosevelt Ranger
How many of you when asked that question and given 90 seconds to talk about how great your wife was would say in a joking manner "I married up" & then turn the topic away from her rather than expounding why she was so wonderful?

He had nowhere to go with that question and it dramatically pointed out the differences between the First Lady and Ms. Kerry.

I hope folks were thinking of the prospects of that woman welcoming visitors to the White House!

:speechles
 

GeauxLSU

Senior Member
Jeff Young said:
I hope folks were thinking of the prospects of that woman welcoming visitors to the White House! :speechles
I think she'd be great at it. Most dignitaries are snobs anyway. Now, as far as imaging her hosting a group of school kids or military families ... :eek:
Hunt/fish safely,
Phil
 
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mpowell

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jbowers--first of all, mary cheney isn't a married president having oral sex in her oval office study with a twenty-something intern. so, any comparison of her sexual orientation to bill clinton's adultery is not even close!

secondly, she's not out on the campaign trail introducing herself as cheney's gay daughter. if she was doing that, yeah, bring her up. she's a person out working for the president's re-election just like anyone else. anything the candidates want to say about themselves is fine. don't bring in family.

to say that kerry brought her up in a tasteful manner is just not true. he added it in as a deliberate aside. you could tell. he could have just as easily made his point without guessing whether her sexuality was her choice or if she were born a lesbian.
 
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dbone

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You guys bring a tear to my eye with your sensativity :rolleyes:

The White house blasting Kerry for HIS comments , Isn't this the same crew bent on discriminating against all the gays and lesbians ?? what a bunch of political harlots

Kerry soundly defeated Bush !! that makes it 0 for 3 for the Republicans they don't have any choice except to attack and try to get Americans to focus on other issues , It's time for Bush /Cheney aka the Homophobes to get out of the peoples house , New real leadership is moving in !!! :flag: :flag:
 
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mpowell

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dbone--do you have a gay son or daughter? gay brother or sister? if you do, do you define them solely by their sexual orientation? that's what happened last night with kerry bringing up mary cheney. now, for those that don't keep up with politics or what's going on, they don't know mary cheney as simply a person like the rest of us. no, now she's cheney's gay daughter. they've tried to hit home on that in two debates now.

i'm certainly no homophobe. my brother is gay and i love him no matter what. and, my definition of him has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. to me, he's my brother. so, it irritates me when anyone, kerry or whoever, decides they're going to pigeonhole someone based on their sexual orientation. that's what he tried to do last night.

i don't have any problem with gay people having relationships or having civil unions. no problem with that at all. they're adults and they can decide. my family has no control over my brother, his finances, his life insurance, his health insurance, the decision as to whether to pull the plug on him if he's on life support. that's all up to john, his partner.

IMO, marriage is between a man and a woman. which, by the way, is the kerry/edwards stance as well.
 

JBowers

Senior Member
jbowers--first of all, mary cheney isn't a married president having oral sex in her oval office study with a twenty-something intern. so, any comparison of her sexual orientation to bill clinton's adultery is not even close!

secondly, she's not out on the campaign trail introducing herself as cheney's gay daughter. if she was doing that, yeah, bring her up. she's a person out working for the president's re-election just like anyone else. anything the candidates want to say about themselves is fine. don't bring in family.

to say that kerry brought her up in a tasteful manner is just not true. he added it in as a deliberate aside. you could tell. he could have just as easily made his point without guessing whether her sexuality was her choice or if she were born a lesbian.
1) You missed the point and can have your double standard.

2) Irrelevant.

3) He did, but I would never expect some to be capable of recognizing that. There was absolutely nothing derogatory or demeaning about what he said or the context it was placed in.

Thanks for your opinions.
 

JBowers

Senior Member
mpowell said:
dbone--do you have a gay son or daughter? gay brother or sister? if you do, do you define them solely by their sexual orientation? that's what happened last night with kerry bringing up mary cheney. now, for those that don't keep up with politics or what's going on, they don't know mary cheney as simply a person like the rest of us. no, now she's cheney's gay daughter. they've tried to hit home on that in two debates now.

i'm certainly no homophobe. my brother is gay and i love him no matter what. and, my definition of him has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. to me, he's my brother. so, it irritates me when anyone, kerry or whoever, decides they're going to pigeonhole someone based on their sexual orientation. that's what he tried to do last night.

i don't have any problem with gay people having relationships or having civil unions. no problem with that at all. they're adults and they can decide. my family has no control over my brother, his finances, his life insurance, his health insurance, the decision as to whether to pull the plug on him if he's on life support. that's all up to john, his partner.

IMO, marriage is between a man and a woman. which, by the way, is the kerry/edwards stance as well.
Care to let us know, yea or nay, how you will vote on the Georgia Amendment in November?
 
totally disagree

"Cheney's family and his daughter have been open about her lifestyle. Considering this adminstration's stance and the obvious contradiction for a senior member of the Administration, it is fair game, a valid point that should be made, and was done in very repsectful, tasteful and non-incendiary manner. JBowers"

I totally disagree, if you think what Kerry pulled was anything less than dignified or respectful, than I think you need to spend more time with your momma--you missed something. It was a low blow. Nor was it tasteful. Whether a presidential debate or whatever, the man used very poor manners. And in perfect politician tact, it did not even pertain to the question (which was "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice ?"). Now where I am from, yes, no, or I do not know should be the first words spoken when you are asked a direct question--then you follow up with an array of supporting thoughts to your answer. Kerry spun it ten ways to Sunday and made sure he threw in a vicious barb that was intended to hurt the President. It was hateful and wrong. I usually agree with you JBowers, but I think you are wrong on this one. The really bad thing is, Kerry has a shot at winning in November.... :confused:
 

JBowers

Senior Member
mpowell said:
don't worry, jbowers, to me my opinions are the only one's that count!!! :D
Something we can agree on!!!!!!!!!:clap:
 
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