Hebrews 11:5

#61
To me death is both spiritual and physical. One is physically alive but spiritually dead until born again. At that point in time he will eventually die physically but live eternally spiritually. Otherwise he will die spiritually when he dies physically as well.

Now in order for this to happen Jesus had to die. I would assume he had to die physically and spiritually, even if "for a moment."
 
#62
To me death is both spiritual and physical. One is physically alive but spiritually dead until born again. At that point in time he will eventually die physically but live eternally spiritually. Otherwise he will die spiritually when he dies physically as well.

Now in order for this to happen Jesus had to die. I would assume he had to die physically and spiritually, even if "for a moment."
Jesus did not die spiritually. This is very important. He had no guilt of His own. He was the perfect, spotless sacrifice. If Jesus had died spiritually, the Father would not have accepted His sacrifice. The Father forsook Jesus on the cross, not because of any blemish of His own, but because of ours.
Jesus was in control even to his last breath. He layed His life down. No man took it from Him.

Jesus was EVERLASTING

Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The EVERLASTING Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
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#63
"In Adam, all died".
But Jesus was not in Adam. He was born of a virgin,conceived by the Holy Ghost. Adams death did not pass to Jesus for this very reason.
Jesus was not under Adam's curse of death. He willingly took the curse of physical death for us("every man is cursed who hangs on a tree").

1 Cor.15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
 

hobbs27

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#64
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law
 

hobbs27

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#66
1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
 
Thread starter #68
Heb. 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should NOT SEE DEATH; and was not found , because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
ENOCH: faith's walk (v 5)
1 He walk with God 300 years
2 He was translated that he should not see death in his generation
3 He could not be found because God translated him (Gen. 5:21-24)
4 He had testimony that he please God by being a man of faith (v 5, 6)
5 He has be living in heaven over 5,265 years (Gen. 5:22; Zech. 4:11-14; Rev. 11:4)
Gen. 5:21 Heb. Chanowk, initiated. Enoch was the only one mentioned as being godly in Seth's line except Noah (6:9; 7:1). He was a prophet (Jude 14). He was translated by FAITH (Rom. 10:17; Heb. 11:5).His experience parallels with Elijah (2 Ki. 2). Both were taken to heaven bodily without dying, both were prophets of judgment, both fought idolatry and apostasy, both knew the time and purpose of their translation (2 Ki. 2; Heb. 11:5). Could they not fulfill Zech. 4:11-14; Mal. 4:4-6; Rev. 11:3-11? Heaven is a material place with cities and inhabitants (Heb. 11:10, 13-16; 13:14; Jn. 14:1-3; Rev. 4:4-6; 5:3-13; 12:12; 13:6; 18:20; 19:1-10). food and living conditions (Ex.24:11; Ps. 78:25; Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Jn. 6:31; Rev. 2:7, 17; 7:17; 22:2). could not two prophets therefore eat and live in heaven all these millenniums? Paul and John were others who went to heaven (2 Cor. 12:1-7; Rev. 4:1). All resurrected saints will eventually go to heaven and live until they come back to earth with Christ to set up His kingdom (1 Th. 4:14-17; 1 Cor. 15:51-58; Rev. 7:9-17; 19:1-21). They will then reign as kings and priests with Christ for 1,000 years helping to put down all rebellion (2 Cor. 15:24-28; Eph. 1:10). When this is accomplished God will move His Capital city to earth and live among men forever.
 
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