Jerusalem the capital of Israel?

Your welcome to edit in the spirit of my drift. ;)
No, no; not my intent at all. If you watch my typing, you will notice that I forget to use the "?" more than half the time. You may recall that, when your "?" key was broken, I offered to lend you mine, as it was so seldom used.
 
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No, no; not my intent at all. If you watch my typing, you will notice that I forget to use the "?" more than half the time. You may recall that, when your "?" key was broken, I offered to lend you mine, as it was so seldom used.
Ah yes... I recall now... :rofl::rofl:
 
Nice try. ::ke: Two questions. Are you a Christian?
so, now you edit the post, and want to know my religion..

I still don't understand the comment about nice try. If you are saying that my post is incorrect, please point out my error, and we can discuss that.

As to my religion, yes, I am a christian, and have been for several decades. In my pre-pappy days, I was a youth pastor at a small AOG church, as well as serving as a deacon in an independent evangelical church here in Toccoa.

Does that make a difference in your question? If you ever remember the 2nd question, please let me know, and I will answer it to the best of my ability
 
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so, now you edit the post, and want to know my religion..

I still don't understand the comment about nice try. If you are saying that my post is incorrect, please point out my error, and we can discuss that.

As to my religion, yes, I am a christian, and have been for several decades. In my pre-pappy days, I was a youth pastor at a small AOG church, as well as serving as a deacon in an independent evangelical church here in Toccoa.

Does that make a difference in your question? If you ever remember the 2nd question, please let me know, and I will answer it to the best of my ability
On the grounds that the United Nations has accused Israel of over 60 counts of crimes against humanity and that the victims of those crimes were Palestinian Christians and Muslims your eye witness account of an egalitarian view of Israeli society is suspect to me? But hey have at your view.

So can you explain to me why evangelicals are known as being Zionists? This is the reason I'm asking if you are Christian. Where do they get their outlook? Is it informed by faith? Or is this view erroneous-- they are not Zionist?
 
The UN? Oh for the love of spaghetti, get real.

You need to get out more if you think the UN is anything but a vocal arm of the NWO.

Evangelicals are probably known as being zionist because they support Israel in most things. We believe that the jews are Gods chosen people, and we believe the scripture that says God will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel.

As to my post about Israel's treatment of their citizens... they are much like the US. They have their issues, and some problems with injustices, but taken as a whole, they are the strongest democracy that the middle east has ever seen. Their governments law give equal rights to the jews, arabs and christians.
 
Gordon, why don't you tell us your back ground, your church of choice, and what you believe about Israel? It might help me understand where you are coming from.
 
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Gordon, why don't you tell us your back ground, your church of choice, and what you believe about Israel? It might help me understand where you are coming from.
Who is "us" that i'm telling at? If your Christian I'm that and therefore one of us. I'm RC.

I have some respect for the UN. I understand that you don't. Many are like you and that is fine.

However , as a Christian I don't understand political Israel today to be biblical Israel. So political Israel, democratic or not so democratic, that is Zionist Israel today is just one of the world's nations and with no special status to be above the law. I liken it more to former South Africa with its apparthied regime than an egalitarian society, or to England during the Scottish or Irish Land Clearances, or to Stalin's ethnic cleansing of Russia's foreign border states, Sherman's burning of the south ( which is still fresh in some minds) and recent ethic cleansing in the Balkans...etc... I give you these as example.

My faith informs me that biblical Isreal is "us" today or the people of faith worldwide and not Zionist Israel. Do I believe that Israel should exist? Absolutely.

As a Christian I have interest that Israel is getting away with crimes because of some erroneous beliefs that some Christians have about Zionism. As a Christian I have interest that Christian bigotry is fueling hate. As a Christian I have this "Blessed are the peacemakers." and wonder if the Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Isreal by the USA will not bless people at all short and long term, but rather will get many killed that would otherwise live and engage in God's blessings. It will fuel hate and the spawns of humiliations for centuries.

Hope this is plain...

Now about being RC, I suspect at least half of American RC believe as you do, and the other half perhaps as I do.
 
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so you are a believer in replacement theology? that Christians have replaced the Jews where prophecy and promises are given?


Do you believe that Israel gets a honest deal in the news when reports are given about the PA and Hamas dealings?
 
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so you are a believer in replacement theology? that Christians have replaced the Jews where prophecy and promises are given?


Do you believe that Israel gets a honest deal in the news when reports are given about the PA and Hamas dealings?
I know nothing of these dealings. I know only that when a family's home is burned before their eyes, and that family suffers intimidation much like the entire village and the entire town and when they are evicted from their ancestral homes that some will forgive, but some will fight the best they know how. These will become terrorists for some but patriots for others. And usually, as was the case with Ireland, it will take 9-10 generations before things start to simmer down. I fear that the present recognition of Jerusalem will have negative repercussion for as many generations to come. It is not the way to peace nor is Zionism in its present form.
 
why don't you answer the ?'s

it shouldn't be that hard to tell me what you believe
 
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why don't you answer the ?'s

it shouldn't be that hard to tell me what you believe
See my post #28 again. ( I cannot answer more plainly.)

But let me plainly add: I believe that lots of people are going to die and suffer for the decision by the USA to recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. I believe that those in keeping with the politics of Zionism don't care, and that the USA is now overtly complicit in the Zionist schemes. However as a Christian I do care mainly because of the Sermon on the Mount. ( Matt. 5-6-7)
 
My understanding is most Israelis don't want this. They know it's just going to be more blood shed for nothing.
We shouldn't have ever recognized Israel as a nation... We should stay out of recognizing Jerusalem as their capital.
You must know many Israelis. All that I know applaud this action. There is always blood shed, because the Arabs won't live in peace.

We did the RIGHT thing recognizing Israel. After the atrocity suffered by the Jews at the hands of Nazi Germany, they deserved a safe sanctuary at the very least. Their claims to their territory and Jerusalem trumps all other claims.
 
On the grounds that the United Nations has accused Israel of over 60 counts of crimes against humanity and that the victims of those crimes were Palestinian Christians and Muslims your eye witness account of an egalitarian view of Israeli society is suspect to me? But hey have at your view.

So can you explain to me why evangelicals are known as being Zionists? This is the reason I'm asking if you are Christian. Where do they get their outlook? Is it informed by faith? Or is this view erroneous-- they are not Zionist?
Now I see where you are! The UN has become a Christian/US basing bunch of socialist anarchist. To believe what this body says about Israel, while it lets countless atrocities by Arabs go unmentioned and puts Muslims on its "women's rights" committee, requires a very low threshold understanding of what is right and what is wrong! Israel has a stellar record of protecting all of its citizens, both Arab and Jew, while the mutt organization known as Palestine has but one goal, the destruction of Israel.

We need to kick those lying scumbags out of the US and cut off most, if not all of our contribution to the UN. You now have zero credibility with me! :smash:
 
See my post #28 again. ( I cannot answer more plainly.)

But let me plainly add: I believe that lots of people are going to die and suffer for the decision by the USA to recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. I believe that those in keeping with the politics of Zionism don't care, and that the USA is now overtly complicit in the Zionist schemes. However as a Christian I do care mainly because of the Sermon on the Mount. ( Matt. 5-6-7)
huh? you don't know what you believe as to whether or not Christians have replaced the jews in bibical prophecy?
 
so you are a believer in replacement theology? that Christians have replaced the Jews where prophecy and promises are given?
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=867016&highlight=replacement+theology&page=3

You mentioned that Presbyterians hold to this "replacement theology." I've never heard a Presbyterian claim such. They call their perspective "covenant theology." And, while I strongly disagree with several points of covenant theology, I don't think we should use a pejorative to describe it. The only people that I hear use the term "Replacement Theology" are dispensationalist who are attacking covenant theology. I have never heard anyone describe themselves as holding to "replacement theology." I believe, in the interest of honest dialogue, we should use the terms people prefer to describe for describing their own position rather than putting words in their mouth.
 

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You must know many Israelis. All that I know applaud this action. There is always blood shed, because the Arabs won't live in peace.

We did the RIGHT thing recognizing Israel. After the atrocity suffered by the Jews at the hands of Nazi Germany, they deserved a safe sanctuary at the very least. Their claims to their territory and Jerusalem trumps all other claims.
I don't know alot of Israeli's, I based what I said on news reports I heard some time ago.

As for if we did the right thing... The Zionist in Israel were terrorist at that time, not a bunch of Victims from the holocaust... Which killed more Christians than Jew's btw.

President Truman went against the pleas of his Generals, just as many liberals do, and recognized Israel as a state. Countless Arabs, Jew's, and Americans have died for that decision.. And you think it was the right thing to do? Every year it is going to get worse, not better. It's a perpetual blood shed that will never end.....Thanks to Big Liberal Harry S Truman.
 
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