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jimbo4116

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There are so many immature individuals. Some can handle it responsibly most at that age cannot. They cave to peer pressure and what will make them popular. And a lot of people base their decision on perception. If the law allows it, it is perceived as being ok. The law says meth is legal so I can do it.
Using that logic we would all be alcoholics.
 
There are so many immature individuals. Some can handle it responsibly most at that age cannot. They cave to peer pressure and what will make them popular. And a lot of people base their decision on perception. If the law allows it, it is perceived as being ok. The law says meth is legal so I can do it.
Ironically, that is a textbook liberal attitude. Very much so. That same reasoning has led to the banning of guns, sugared soft drinks, 30-round magazines, Cokes over ten ounces, chicken fried in trans-fats, etc. etc. in liberal cities. Democrats use that line all the time. People aren't capable of making their own healthy decisions, so the government must force them to live the way we think they should, and not have access to anything that can harm them.

Using that logic we would all be alcoholics.
This.
 
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Ironically, that is a textbook liberal attitude. Very much so. That same reasoning has led to the banning of guns, sugared soft drinks, 30-round magazines, Cokes over ten ounces, chicken fried in trans-fats, etc. etc. in liberal cities. Democrats use that line all the time. People aren't capable of making their own healthy decisions, so the government must force them to live the way we think they should, and not have access to anything that can harm them.



This.
I agree. But we are not talking about the same thing here. The topic was legalizing drugs. I am not talking about food or guns. In fact I am a huge 2nd amendment guy. I am all for any drug that has medicinal purposes. Go to the doctor and get a prescription. Like all the other legal drugs we have now. If marijuana helps PTSD fine go get a prescription. I don't have an issue with that. Where the problem comes in is with so called recreational drug use. Especially stronger drugs such as meth and heroin. Which serve no purpose other than to get hi. They are highly addictive and very easy to od on and should never be made legal. But if you get your wish you better hope the meth heads don't move in next to you. I promise you, you wont like it. And don't bother calling the cops it will be legal so there will be nothing they can do.
 
I agree. But we are not talking about the same thing here. The topic was legalizing drugs. I am not talking about food or guns. In fact I am a huge 2nd amendment guy. I am all for any drug that has medicinal purposes. Go to the doctor and get a prescription. Like all the other legal drugs we have now. If marijuana helps PTSD fine go get a prescription. I don't have an issue with that. Where the problem comes in is with so called recreational drug use. Especially stronger drugs such as meth and heroin. Which serve no purpose other than to get hi. They are highly addictive and very easy to od on and should never be made legal. But if you get your wish you better hope the meth heads don't move in next to you. I promise you, you wont like it. And don't bother calling the cops it will be legal so there will be nothing they can do.
Clearly you are for the kinds of freedom that you approve of but not the kinds of freedom you don't approve of because normal people can't handle those kinds of freedom. Or can they?:huh:
 
I agree. But we are not talking about the same thing here. The topic was legalizing drugs. I am not talking about food or guns. In fact I am a huge 2nd amendment guy. I am all for any drug that has medicinal purposes. Go to the doctor and get a prescription. Like all the other legal drugs we have now. If marijuana helps PTSD fine go get a prescription. I don't have an issue with that. Where the problem comes in is with so called recreational drug use. Especially stronger drugs such as meth and heroin. Which serve no purpose other than to get hi. They are highly addictive and very easy to od on and should never be made legal. But if you get your wish you better hope the meth heads don't move in next to you. I promise you, you wont like it. And don't bother calling the cops it will be legal so there will be nothing they can do.
What is the moral principle the empowers the state with the authority to deprive a man of life, liberty or property for the act of possessing or consuming a product? If I possess pot or consume it, who is the victim?
 
Yes, you are saying the exact same thing as the folks who believe that making guns illegal will keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It won't. The places with the strictest gun laws have the highest gun crime rates. It is a fact. But, those folks still believe that making guns illegal will solve the gun violence problem, just as firmly as you believe that making drugs illegal solves the drug problem. You both have good intentions, but you are both dead wrong. And are arguing the same exact thing in the face of proof that it doesn't work.

THE METH HEADS ALREADY LIVE BESIDE ME! They are here! Your magic laws don't work at all, or they wouldn't be here!

They have broken into my house twice and carried off half my stuff. I wish I could legally kill them.

You keep missing the main fact-making drugs illegal has been a huge failure, and has led to a bigger drug problem and more drug addicts than there were before the War on Drugs.

Drug. Laws. Do. Not. Keep. People. From. Using. Drugs. I don't know how much plainer I can say it. I do not condone drug use. Drug abuse is a major problem. we need to find some way to fight it that works. Making drugs illegal has never worked, is not working now, and will never work. So how about let's quit focusing all our resources on raiding drug houses and locking up potheads, and find a real solution.
 
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Clearly you are for the kinds of freedom that you approve of but not the kinds of freedom you don't approve of because normal people can't handle those kinds of freedom. Or can they?:huh:
That's why I have a vote. And I would bet that if it was put up for vote by the citizens of Georgia to legalize, it would lose by a wide margin. I agree the Feds should stay out of State business but with the drug cartels and the gangs world wide that would be hard for a state to do. I think Trump is on the right path with the wall and tighter border security. I should help with stopping some of the drugs from entering the country.
 
That's why I have a vote. And I would bet that if it was put up for vote by the citizens of Georgia to legalize, it would lose by a wide margin. I agree the Feds should stay out of State business but with the drug cartels and the gangs world wide that would be hard for a state to do. I think Trump is on the right path with the wall and tighter border security. I should help with stopping some of the drugs from entering the country.
It's really pretty simple.
Do you want everyone to have the freedom to choose what they do to themselves?

Do you think people should be personally accountable for their decisions and actions?
 
That's why I have a vote. And I would bet that if it was put up for vote by the citizens of Georgia to legalize, it would lose by a wide margin. I agree the Feds should stay out of State business but with the drug cartels and the gangs world wide that would be hard for a state to do. I think Trump is on the right path with the wall and tighter border security. I should help with stopping some of the drugs from entering the country.
Question: would it help or hurt the drug cartels to make drugs legal? Honest answer.

Our drug laws are what created and are what fund the drug cartels and all the crime and killing that go with them. How many innocent people are killed every year by these people? If drugs were legalized, drug cartels would no longer exist.

Do we have a problem with liquor or cigarette or Pepsi cartels? Why not?
 
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Question: would it help or hurt the drug cartels to make drugs legal? Honest answer.

Our drug laws are what created and are what fund the drug cartels and all the crime and killing that go with them. How many innocent people are killed every year by these people? If drugs were legalized, drug cartels would no longer exist.

Do we have a problem with liquor or cigarette or Pepsi cartels? Why not?
I'm sure they would take a pay cut but you wont stop them by making it legal. They will come up with a new more powerful drug they can sell on the streets. I have a question for you. Do you honestly think it is a good idea for companies to make meth and sell it to Americans?
 
I'm sure they would take a pay cut but you wont stop them by making it legal. They will come up with a new more powerful drug they can sell on the streets. I have a question for you. Do you honestly think it is a good idea for companies to make meth and sell it to Americans?
What companies are making meth?
 
I'm saying if you made it legal like some states have done with marijuana. Companies would make it and sell it to citizens right? So I am asking in your opinion manufacturing and selling meth to citizens is a good idea?
I appreciate your passion on this topic, but I think you are conflating the issue between personal freedom and corporate business models.
To answer your question, if a company can make meth, as they can alcohol, it is still the individuals responsibility to buy that product or not.
If it is not a product the consumer will buy at the market price, they will not be in business long.
 

PopPop

Senior Member
The Meth cooks I've know were not Rocket Surgeons. I think you can whoop up a Batch in the kitchen, like biscuits.
 
I'm sure they would take a pay cut but you wont stop them by making it legal. They will come up with a new more powerful drug they can sell on the streets. I have a question for you. Do you honestly think it is a good idea for companies to make meth and sell it to Americans?
Speaking of new drugs crack only exists because of criminalization driving prices higher. The bottom line here is you don’t believe in freedom and personal responsibility. You condone locking people in cages for victimless crimes and forcing taxpayers to pay for it. Just like gun grabbers want to lock people up for having guns even if they haven’t infringed in anyone else’s rights. You’re just as liberal as they are. You only disagree on which property should be banned.
 
I'm saying if you made it legal like some states have done with marijuana. Companies would make it and sell it to citizens right? So I am asking in your opinion manufacturing and selling meth to citizens is a good idea?
Good idea relative to what? That’s the point everyone keeps making and you keep ignoring. :pop:
 
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