Relevance with revelation

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New Living Translation
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

To continue in known sin and try to justify our lifestyle choices in spite of the teachings of the Bible is a weighty matter.
Here's an encouraging message for believers about the difficult Heb 10 passage (vs 26-31).

 
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An encouraging recap:


"As long as we think of sin...

as the breaking of a moral standard,

a law...

or a commandment,

instead of an inner power...

which induces us to attempt life...

apart from God...

and His grace,

disconnected,

we will exalt moral compliance...
as the goal of life,
guaranteeing our frustration,

and miss the One who is Life,
and who happily takes up residence within us."

~ Ralph Harris
 
strange. I live on earth, and I will live in Heaven one day. How could I if they have passed away
If they haven't, that means the Law will be in place even after we live in Heaven one day. Heaven will never pass in that sense and thus neither the Law.

If the Law hasn't passed, what parts do we keep?
 
strange. I live on earth, and I will live in Heaven one day. How could I if they have passed away
I remember having this discussion years ago on this forum. Heaven and earth must pass when all is fulfilled. Perhaps when all was fulfilled on the Cross, the Law was fulfilled. Maybe it was the destruction of Israel, so Heaven and earth was Old Israel. It could also mean the temple destruction. Jesus replaced the old temple. His temple arose in three days.

Matthew 24:34-35
34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Did that generation not see it pass?
 
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If they haven't, that means the Law will be in place even after we live in Heaven one day. Heaven will never pass in that sense and thus neither the Law.

If the Law hasn't passed, what parts do we keep?
Sin takes it's opportunity thru the law as we strive to "keep" it.
Consider: Rom 7:8 ... 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me [a]coveting of every kind; for apart [b]from the Law sin is dead.

Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

You're under grace, not the judicial requirement of the Mosaic law.
Believers abiding in Christ will show the fruit of the Spirit, not the striving to reach the 613 commandments of the law.
The law does not impart life, Christ does.
The law cannot make us perfect (as in complete, lacking nothing for life and godliness) but Christ did, sacrificing Himself and rising from death.

Life is the benefit of the cross and resurrection.
Death is the outcome of the law.

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I remember having this discussion years ago on this forum. Heaven and earth must pass when all is fulfilled. Perhaps when all was fulfilled on the Cross, the Law was fulfilled. Maybe it was the destruction of Israel, so Heaven and earth was Old Israel. It could also mean the temple destruction. Jesus replaced the old temple. His temple arose in three days.

Matthew 24:34-35
34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Did that generation not see it pass?
context man... context. What generation is he talking about?
 
Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
why would you go to Matt 16 to find the generation he is speaking of in Matt 24?

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

the things that will be fulfilled are in red. The generation that will see it is in purple.

Now, we just need to figure out what the fig tree represents and what the putting on of leaves means about the fig tree.

and no, all this did not happen in 70ad. I don't recall all of his elect being gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other during that timeframe
 
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why would you go to Matt 16 to find the generation he is speaking of in Matt 24?

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

the things that will be fulfilled are in red. The generation that will see it is in purple.

Now, we just need to figure out what the fig tree represents and what the putting on of leaves means about the fig tree.

and no, all this did not happen in 70ad. I don't recall all of his elect being gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other during that timeframe
I was thinking it was all one account. So which one is the future account and which one has already happened?

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Matthew 24:16
then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
 
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Spineyman

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Revelation 1
Introduction and Benediction
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servantsthings which must shortly take place.
 

Spineyman

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That is why it was written and here is who it was written to:

Revelation 1:2-4
2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Greeting the Seven Churches

4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
 

Madman

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Frequent personal observation.

Been to several meetings where guilt, not the Spirit of God, is the motivation for works of righteousness. Rare indeed to hear a sermon on Galatians 5:18 ! ... But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

The teaching of depending on what Christ has done for AND to a believer in raising them to new life - and the subsequent fruit which follows - is nearly left out or practically anathema in churches today. Any fruit of the Spirit comes from grace thru faith ... a needed revelation today, and a motivating mind renewal truth of our identity in Christ.
Sorry to hear that. It is the job of the Church to teach and edify the saints. Our church does an excellent job.
 
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This adds an application aka "living in faith response" to post 1 and some other notes here:
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When Paul said, "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ" (Rom 1:16), he wasn't talking about not being ashamed to live righteously and morally in a world full of sinful people. In his life before Christ, Paul already had confidence in his fleshly abilities to live righteously and morally... and that is what he said he had to count as cow dung so that he could embrace the true gospel!

In order for Paul to be "found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith" (Phil 3:9), Paul had to chuck aside any and all of his sense of his own righteousness and morality according to the law, which would have been a major deviation from his previous stance in life and from what his Jewish brothers expected of him.

It is this 180° turn that Paul was not ashamed of! It wasn't a turn from unrighteous living to righteous living that Paul was now standing for. It was a turn from trusting in righteous living to trusting in Christ alone for righteousness! That's the gospel - the *gift* of God's righteousness given freely to all who believe.

From Joel Brueseke
 
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