Secular morality vs bibilical morality

Correct. Suggesting that we are trading one wrong for another. I see Right being out traded Wrong. I have this stuff in my own family, the full gamut. It's going to be hard to convince me that it's OK. It's going to be even more difficult to convince me that replacing the old values and moralities with these new ones will produce a better society.
Howe do you compare what effect morality had on society in the 20's to that of the 80's? Women and Blacks were treated better in the 80's than the 20's. We had gangsters and party people during both decades. People did marry younger in the 20's. Some say the decade of the 20's was when morality went bad. Women even started seeing themselves as sexual beings equal to men.
 

WaltL1

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Correct. Suggesting that we are trading one wrong for another. I see Right being out traded Wrong. I have this stuff in my own family, the full gamut. It's going to be hard to convince me that it's OK. It's going to be even more difficult to convince me that replacing the old values and moralities with these new ones will produce a better society.
I guess it all depends on where ya sit in society.
For 2 gay folks who want to get married or even for straight folks who think gays should be allowed to get married and be miserable like everybody else, these new values/morals produce a better society.
For every person that thinks its better theres a person that thinks it worse.
And the world goes round and round.....
 

PopPop

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I guess it all depends on where ya sit in society.
For 2 gay folks who want to get married or even for straight folks who think gays should be allowed to get married and be miserable like everybody else, these new values/morals produce a better society.
For every person that thinks its better theres a person that thinks it worse.
And the world goes round and round.....
What consenting adults do among themselves has never concerned me. What they do to children and what they demand from society does.
 
What consenting adults do among themselves has never concerned me. What they do to children and what they demand from society does.
Yet most homosexual children come from heterosexual parents. Homosexuals should not demand any more than heterosexuals. I feel everyone demands too much from the government. I also feel that the government doesn't give me the individual freedom I desire but that is another subject.

I'd say the morals and actions of heterosexuals is for worse on children that the 5% of the homosexuals.
 

WaltL1

Senior Member
What consenting adults do among themselves has never concerned me. What they do to children and what they demand from society does.
I definitely understand where you are coming from and don't disagree with you in general. But it seems like you have a bit of tunnel vision. You mentioned children. "New" morality says young girls marrying adult men is bad. "New" morality says kids should be in school not picking a crop. "New" morality says you cant own someone elses kid and make them pick your cotton.......
So it really depends on where you sit as to whether new or old makes for a better society.
 

660griz

Senior Member
Correct. Suggesting that we are trading one wrong for another. I see Right being out traded Wrong. I have this stuff in my own family, the full gamut. It's going to be hard to convince me that it's OK. It's going to be even more difficult to convince me that replacing the old values and moralities with these new ones will produce a better society.
I think society is still working it out. Some folks have some new found freedoms that they want to flaunt. There will hopefully be some backlash and they will dial it back a bit. Men competing in women's sport should be shortlived as well...I hope.
 
Also keep in mind that secular morality changes biblical morality. Think about how the women in society changed biblical morality in the 60's. Christians have more or less set aside Paul's revelation on all of those special rules for women.
Women are no longer subjection to their husbands, they can teach over men, wear gold and pearls, wear braided hair and fancy clothes. About the only thing they can't do is preach!

Having lived through this change myself, I can see where the secular changed the biblical. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just how it is.
 
Would globalization give everyone the same currency, government, religion, and morals?

I'm not for globalization, just thinking out loud. Don't most Christian countries want every country to be Christian? To have the same morals as we do?
 

WaltL1

Senior Member
Would globalization give everyone the same currency, government, religion, and morals?

I'm not for globalization, just thinking out loud. Don't most Christian countries want every country to be Christian? To have the same morals as we do?
Also keep in mind that secular morality changes biblical morality. Think about how the women in society changed biblical morality in the 60's. Christians have more or less set aside Paul's revelation on all of those special rules for women.
Women are no longer subjection to their husbands, they can teach over men, wear gold and pearls, wear braided hair and fancy clothes. About the only thing they can't do is preach!

Having lived through this change myself, I can see where the secular changed the biblical. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just how it is.
I think its unavoidable.
Religious folks dont live in a vacuum. They live in society. And society is made of humans. And humans views change. Certainly not everybodys views change in a lifetime but in enough lifetimes......
I think changing views is a part of being human.
We've been doing it since day one.
 

PopPop

Senior Member
I definitely understand where you are coming from and don't disagree with you in general. But it seems like you have a bit of tunnel vision. You mentioned children. "New" morality says young girls marrying adult men is bad. "New" morality says kids should be in school not picking a crop. "New" morality says you cant own someone elses kid and make them pick your cotton.......
So it really depends on where you sit as to whether new or old makes for a better society.
I do have a bit more focus, or tunnel vision. After making such wonderful improvements in the human condition, over decades, it looks like we are happily chucking it all for other destructive practices and doing it in a much more compressed timeline.
It was hard to change what was considered acceptable, now we are rediculed for even questioning what is acceptable.
 
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I definitely understand where you are coming from and don't disagree with you in general. But it seems like you have a bit of tunnel vision. You mentioned children. "New" morality says young girls marrying adult men is bad. "New" morality says kids should be in school not picking a crop. "New" morality says you cant own someone elses kid and make them pick your cotton.......
So it really depends on where you sit as to whether new or old makes for a better society.

It's a mixed bag. It's not all good or all bad. How do we sort the one from the other? By reason? Or by faith in a book claimed to be a moral authority? I think Christians themselves answer that question when they reject slavery and polygamy.
 
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I do have a bit more focus, or tunnel vision. After making such wonderful improvements in the human condition, over decades, it looks like we are happily chucking it all for other destructive practices and doing it in a much more compressed timeline.
It was hard to change what was considered acceptable, now we are rediculed for even questioning what is acceptable.
I think we can do better than the morality one would get from strict adherence to an Abrahamic religious text. That doesn't necessarily mean that we will.
 
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