So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/democratic-candidates-health-care-plans-canadian-system/

A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That’s the average. There are variations among specialties. Those waiting to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.
Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than ten weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.
When there’s an artificial shortage of a good or service, a black market usually follows. I have heard from several Canadians that paying doctors bribes to jump the line is not uncommon. But Canada has another pressure reliever: 90 percent of Canadians live within 90 miles of the U.S. border, and medical centers in Buffalo, Chicago, Rochester, and elsewhere receive tens of thousands of Canadian patients every year.
 
I don't want Canadian health care but enjoying their lower medical drug prices would be nice.
 

zedex

Senior Member
The Canadian health care system is an utter failure. Two friends died of cancer while waiting for care.
A couple weeks ago, a friend's son broke his elbow. They went to the ER where the doctor put a cast on it and prescribed pain killers. Day before yesterday, the boy finally saw the general practitioner who sent the boy for more xrays and a MRI... then he has to see a specialist and hope it gets set then.
The specialist appt is in 2 months.

Two weeks ago, I had an inflamed gall bladder. I spent 17 hours in the ER. The doctor said I need emergency surgery for it. The appt is oct 10.

There are a few major problems with the system:

Doctors here are not paid enough so many get their paperwork and head to the states

Too many people abuse the system... a sneeze or cough or even a headache is cause to visit the ER, thus jamming it up.

The doctors that are here pass you around like a doobie at Woodstock. You see all kinds of doctors and have have multiple tests, CT scans, MRI'S, X-Rays, ...... everybody gets paid while nothing gets done and your suffering continues

After being hit by a car, it took 2.5 years to finally get a hip replacement on left side. It's now been almost 5 years and I'm still waiting for left knee and shoulder and right hip replacements. It took 4.5 years for them to quit shoving pills in my face and severe the nerves in the right side of my spine.... the left side to be done in a couple months

Yes, it takes a long time (unless you are a celebrity or public official) and no you dont walk out with a bill, and that part is nice. But it is not free, either.
Every month we pay a premium. About 56 bucks per person. If you refuse to pay it, you can lose personal possessions, bank accounts, .....
 

dwhee87

Senior Member
Dang, Zedex. Way to throw water on the whole 'socialism medicine is groovy' thing.
 
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The Canadian health care system is an utter failure. Two friends died of cancer while waiting for care.
A couple weeks ago, a friend's son broke his elbow. They went to the ER where the doctor put a cast on it and prescribed pain killers. Day before yesterday, the boy finally saw the general practitioner who sent the boy for more xrays and a MRI... then he has to see a specialist and hope it gets set then.
The specialist appt is in 2 months.

Two weeks ago, I had an inflamed gall bladder. I spent 17 hours in the ER. The doctor said I need emergency surgery for it. The appt is oct 10.

There are a few major problems with the system:

Doctors here are not paid enough so many get their paperwork and head to the states

Too many people abuse the system... a sneeze or cough or even a headache is cause to visit the ER, thus jamming it up.

The doctors that are here pass you around like a doobie at Woodstock. You see all kinds of doctors and have have multiple tests, CT scans, MRI'S, X-Rays, ...... everybody gets paid while nothing gets done and your suffering continues

After being hit by a car, it took 2.5 years to finally get a hip replacement on left side. It's now been almost 5 years and I'm still waiting for left knee and shoulder and right hip replacements. It took 4.5 years for them to quit shoving pills in my face and severe the nerves in the right side of my spine.... the left side to be done in a couple months

Yes, it takes a long time (unless you are a celebrity or public official) and no you dont walk out with a bill, and that part is nice. But it is not free, either.
Every month we pay a premium. About 56 bucks per person. If you refuse to pay it, you can lose personal possessions, bank accounts, .....
Dang boy. You ever consider moving south of the border? You would make a great American citizen.
 

Patriot44

Senior Member
Canadian Heathcare is superior to US Heathcare.

US Healthcare is FAR more accessible than Canadian Healthcare.

Pick your poison. I like my odss.
 

PopPop

Senior Member
Americans are ignorant or stupid and in many cases both. Nowhere is this more evident than in their understanding of our healthcare system.
 
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Yup, hence my second sentence.

In Canadia, getting quality cancer care is not the problem and it is high quality, almost as high quality as US cancer care... :cool:

The problem is getting the diagnosis. :wink:
But Canada has another pressure reliever: 90 percent of Canadians live within 90 miles of the U.S. border, and medical centers in Buffalo, Chicago, Rochester, and elsewhere receive tens of thousands of Canadian patients every year.
:wink:
 

PopPop

Senior Member
In the US, your insurer decides what healthcare you get, and how much your doctor or medical facility gets paid for it.
United Healthcare made $ 9 Billion dollars in profit in 2018, $4.7 Billion in the most recently reported quarter of this year. They are currently reducing payment schedules to all healthcare providers.
 

jimbo4116

Retired Moderator
A little off subject but, What about the 3 million Federal Employees in the FEHB Plan and the additional 20 million State, County and City employees that have employer insurance plans.

For the most part this has been a Democrat voting block. You never here any of the Dem Candidates mention this group being changed over to "medicare for all". All those "government" employees have to be getting a little antsy.

Seems to me it would be a great talking point for the Republicans.
 
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In the US, your insurer decides what healthcare you get, and how much your doctor or medical facility gets paid for it.
United Healthcare made $ 9 Billion dollars in profit in 2018, $4.7 Billion in the most recently reported quarter of this year. They are currently reducing payment schedules to all healthcare providers.
There's two sides to that coin. They are losing their rear ends on the Obamacare policies which are "mandatory coverage, must issue" policies. Trump has loosened up the regs so they are now selling Obamacare non-compliant policies and those are the ones they are making money on. Their popularity is on the rise because you can pick and choose the coverage you want. You don't have to buy psych and maternity coverage if you're a normal single man.

But yes, they are reducing payments to providers. Health insurance companies have been paying for the shortfall in Medicare reimbursements through the providers shifting their Medicare unreimbursed costs to the insurance companies. Now "The Empire Strikes Back".

I wonder why Congress won't pass a law requiring all healthcare providers to provide a list of services that also details their price? In every other industry that's a normal, consumer required practice. Going to the Dr. or the hospital is the only service you get in this country where you don't know how much it costs until they are done. Do the healthcare providers have the Democrats in their hip pocket?
 
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