Space X

just what we need another piece of space junk to track and have useful satellites avoid.
 
Plan for what?

I haven't yet, nor do I expect to, inoculate the gullible against the con artists.

If you don't know enough to recognize you are being lied to, there is nothing I have time to post to educate you past 3rd grade at a public school.

It's not that I think I am smart. It's that I believe in reality. And have studied history, also have a good memory.

Just filling in for Sinclair :deadhorse:

Remember the history of NASA? And what they had to do to start men in orbit? Remember (or were you ever aware of) the Mercury program? The Gemini program? before the Apollo program? How much they cost, and how many test rockets they blew up, before they had successful launches?

So before sending a monkey to orbit the earth, Musk will send a fancy golf cart, to Mars.
Just filling in for Sinclair :deadhorse:
 

Miguel Cervantes

GON Severe Weatherman
Neither Boeing or LM are promising Mars shots in less than months. But as denizens of the MIC that's a good description.
The content of your comment was regarding funds received from NASA, not the destination.

Boeing / Lockheed Martin received $4.6 billion from NASA to EM's $2.6 billion. If money is the moniker of evil, which recipient is the worst?
 

NOYDB

Senior Member
The content of your comment was regarding funds received from NASA, not the destination.

Boeing / Lockheed Martin received $4.6 billion from NASA to EM's $2.6 billion. If money is the moniker of evil, which recipient is the worst?
Spread out over how many years, each?

NASA went from what they got from the NAZI's after WWII to landing men on the moon and back. Launching Sats for GPS and weather.

Don't forget Europe, Russia, India and sundry. EM is doing nothing new. And the MIC will sell to anybody for anything.
 

dwhee87

Senior Member
It takes 18 months to two years to reach Mars with a projectile launched from Earth. But that is just because of physics and we all know con men sucking on subsidies don't believe in physics.
According to Google, about 150-300 days, depending launch angle and the point of orbit of Mars at the time.
 

NOYDB

Senior Member
According to Google, about 150-300 days, depending launch angle and the point of orbit of Mars at the time.
Also depends on if you want to send intact human beings or jelly. Your orbit time may vary depending on reaction mass available. As with a moon shot, getting there isn't hard, safely stopping is.
 
I'm pretty sure the vertical landing of rockets was all private ingenuity, since NASA tried for decades and never figure it out. ;)

NASA is hedging it's bets on Lockheed-Martin / Boeing joint venture aka United Alliance. The issue is, it costs UA $380 million per launch with no readily recoverable assets of the rocket. Musk launches occur at $90 million per launch with the rocket boosters landing safely and vertically back on earth and reusable for future launches exponentially reducing the cost of each launch.

NASA awarded UA a $4.2 billion contract to compete for sending humans to the ISS. They simultaneously awarded Musk $2.6 billion in contract to compete for the same.

My money is on Musk. His business philosophy is far superior to the others. ;)
This...

But he may be an alien.
 
Plan for what?

I haven't yet, nor do I expect to, inoculate the gullible against the con artists.

If you don't know enough to recognize you are being lied to, there is nothing I have time to post to educate you past 3rd grade at a public school.

It's not that I think I am smart. It's that I believe in reality. And have studied history, also have a good memory.

Remember the history of NASA? And what they had to do to start men in orbit? Remember (or were you ever aware of) the Mercury program? The Gemini program? before the Apollo program? How much they cost, and how many test rockets they blew up, before they had successful launches?

So before sending a monkey to orbit the earth, Musk will send a fancy golf cart, to Mars.
Been a good long while since a mic has been dropped so hard. Gave me the gooseflesh.
 
According to Google, about 150-300 days, depending launch angle and the point of orbit of Mars at the time.
and that is with the vehicle running in excess of 10,000 mph.

That rocket is booging.
 
the closest Earth/Mars gets is 33.9 million miles. That ship is traveling just over 10,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it will take just over 141 days. Of course, we are not at our closest distance when it gets there, so 150 to 160 days is a good estimate.
 

dwhee87

Senior Member
Here's a different video of the boosters coming back in. Cool stuff.

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Miguel Cervantes

GON Severe Weatherman
Here's a different video of the boosters coming back in. Cool stuff.
Absolutely the coolest video I've seen yet. But you know, EM is doing nothing new according to some. :rolleyes:
BTW, those were not new boosters. They have been used on other launches and will be re-used again. Nothing new though.:rolleyes:
 

Patriot44

Senior Member
Here's a different video of the boosters coming back in. Cool stuff.
That is Awesome. We are a family of nerds and we have watched probably 50 different video's of the launch but this is absolutely the coolest of them all.

I am follow ing SpaceX a little closer now and the next time they have a launce and it is in Fl, we are there! So awesome!
 

NOYDB

Senior Member
Great estimates if you want to hit Mars. Takes a bit longer if you want to survive and land in an intact piece.

But if you are sending an overpriced golf cart, who cares about survivability?

If you want to contract a satellite to be launched, the Europeans will offer the Ariane for a couple hundred grand. But EM will launch a TESLA at no charge. After all he ain't paying, he's conned tax money from the gullible.
 
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