"Through" Another challenge

[Artfuldodger]

Hey Art, do you think that any of the disciples thought Jesus was God?

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7,19

For some reason the death, resurrection, and ascension confused them. Even Jesus know they wouldn't get it until it was over.
Apostles who don't understand even coming from the mouth of Jesus.

Yet we are suppose to see it plain as day. We aren't suppose to have to wait. We are suppose to just get chosen by the very Spirit of God who then let's us get it. That Election plus Scripture. The Spirit enlightens us to understand the Scripture.

But the Apostles to include Paul didn't understand it all. Then God gave some knowledge to only certain individuals. Given in code that only some could understand.

 

[Artfuldodger]

Hey Art, do you think that any of the disciples thought Jesus was God?

I got carried away again and didn't answer. The disciples pretty much had a Jewish mindset. Christianity in that the Messiah had came was knew to them. Not that he was promised but that he had finally been sent by God.
I guess the key would be if they were looking for the Messiah to be a man or to be God. Did they think the High Priest needed to be God?

If they couldn't understand the Easter story until after it happens, how could they understand the Trinity even if it is true? I would think they saw their God, the God of Abraham as one.
I can't imagine them seeing him as a three-in-one God.
I think that concept or the ability to believe it if true came later.

Which makes me wonder if our Christian knowledge or knowledge from God increases over the ages. Such as the Protestant protest. Maybe input on allowing female preachers. How we view the man being the head of woman. How we view God as the head of Christ.

Is the world's knowledge increasing? Are we finally "getting it" or are we "losing it?"

If Jesus is talking to them in terms like My God and your God, my Father and your Father, etc. then why would they assume he was not telling them the truth about who their God was? Their God was his God.
They were told to keep his Father's commands. Jesus spoke as though his Father was God and he was the Son of God when speaking to the disciples.
I would think they understood this to be like all of the other father and son relationships they were aware of.

No I do not think the disciples believed Jesus was God but send from God.

I would think that if you told them Jesus was God, they would picture the Father becoming the Son. That the one God, incarnate as man. Since they saw God as one, if you forced this belief on them, then this one God would have to become Jesus.
Not that this beleif was forced on them but if it was this is how they would see it.

 

[Artfuldodger]

John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

This is Jesus speaking to his Father. The eternal life is from God.