Truth about Heaven

Jesus as the second Adam has regained everything that was lost. Jesus as the second Adam, agent of the new creation, as did Adam, gets to name them, Saul to Paul, Peter
 
I disagree. Adam could not see God, even before he fell.

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


but we will see Him in heaven.


Revelation 22:4-5
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 22:3
No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
or
God's curse will no longer be on the people of that city. He and the Lamb will be seated there on their thrones, and its people will worship God.

Many see it as one throne. We will see God through the Lamb or as the Lamb.

His servants will serve him or Him. It doesn't say "them."
I wondering how one can see the face of a Spirit unless it's not to be taken literal as in God's hands, etc.
Maybe Adam walked with God spiritually unless God appeared physically as Jesus perhaps.
 
I don't envision heaven as streets of gold, etc. That comes from a mindset of man and money. Gold will be of no value in heaven. I don't believe anything will have a monetary value in heaven. Although I expect it to be beautiful. Hard to imagine because the earth has amazingly beautiful places
 
I don't envision heaven as streets of gold, etc. That comes from a mindset of man and money. Gold will be of no value in heaven. I don't believe anything will have a monetary value in heaven. Although I expect it to be beautiful. Hard to imagine because the earth has amazingly beautiful places
Will there be streets?
 
“The wall of the city had twelve foundations … decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst” (Revelation 21:14, 19, 20 NIV).

“The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits thick. The wall was made of jasper” (Revelation 21:17, 18 NIV).
 

Israel

Senior Member
I don't envision heaven as streets of gold, etc. That comes from a mindset of man and money. Gold will be of no value in heaven. I don't believe anything will have a monetary value in heaven. Although I expect it to be beautiful. Hard to imagine because the earth has amazingly beautiful places
I don't see "streets of gold" perhaps, in the way you seem to?

But I do agree with your

I don't believe anything will have a monetary value in heaven.
That's the context in which I see "streets of gold".

What's highly esteemed by man...God uses for paving material...underfoot.

Perhaps we should practice walking "above" this thing (money) that seeks to make itself so large in our attentions? You know...so we feel more "at home" in this place in which we are. Less...awkward. More...graceful.
 

formula1

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No monetary value at all, yet priceless and of infinite worth to those who are in Christ. The most amazing and wonderful things each of us have ever experienced on earth will never compare to the infinite worth of perfect love that is my heavenly Father!

I can only imagine!!!
 

j_seph

Senior Member
HEAVEN IS A CREATED PLACE (Gen. 1:1; Isa. 42:5; 45:18; Col. 1:16-18; Neh. 9:6; Ps. 102:25; Prov. 8:27).

IT IS A REAL PLANET LIKE THE EARTH (Gen. 1:1; 11:8-16). In this last passage it is called a "better country" than the Earth, Heaven, therefore, is not an invisible nothing or a cloud floating around in space where saints sit and play a Jew's harp forever.

THERE ARE THREE HEAVENS Besides the planet Earth called Heaven where God dwells (Gen. 21:17; 22:11, 15; 2 Cor. 12:1-3; Deut. 26:15; 1 Kings 8:30, 38, 43, 49) there are two other spheres called Heaven, Paul speaks of three Heavens (2 Cor. 12:1-3). The third Heaven is here called the paradise where God lives. The other two heavens are : the clouds (Gen. 1:8; 7:23; 8:2; Job 38:9, 34; Isa. 14:14; Jer. 51:16) and the starry space between the Earth and the planet Heaven (Gen. 1:15-20; 22:17; Isa. 14:12-14; Ps. 8:3).

HAEVEN IS THE CAPITAL OF THE UNIVERSE, For God has His capital city, the New Jerusalem, His capital building, the Heavenly Temple or Tabernacle, and His throne in the Temple in Heaven. This city is described by John in Rev. 21-22. This capital city will continue to be in Heaven until the end of the Millennium and then it will be moved from the planet Heaven to the planet Earth(Rev. 21:2, 9-21). Many Scriptures speak of God's throne being in Heaven (Ps. 103:19; Rev. 4:1-2). That God has a real temple in Heaven is clear from Rev. 4-5; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17.

GOD OWNS AND RULES IN THE HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (Gen. 14:19, 22; Ps. 11:4; 89:11; Luke 10:21; 11:2). He also owns the Earth and all things in the universe, but at present this planet is in rebellion against Him. This is why Jesus will be sent from Heaven with the armies of Heaven to seize this rebellious part of the universe and restore God's absolute rule on Earth as before the rebellion started (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:11-21; 20:1-10; Zech. 14; Jude 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Joel 3; Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46).
Where does it call heaven a planet in the bible?
 
1 Corinthians 2:9
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Adam did not experience heaven in the garden, based on this text.
 

j_seph

Senior Member
1 Corinthians 2:9
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Adam did not experience heaven in the garden, based on this text.
But how does that interpret into planet heaven?

If they did not know then how would you know now?
 
But how does that interpret into planet heaven?

If they did not know then how would you know now?
Ha. I wasn't addressing the "planet" question. It was in regards to what gr8bldr said earlier. Sorry for causing confusion.

BTW, I don't believe heaven is a planet.(it's infinity better than that)
Anything you can imagine, it's far greater, I assure you.
 

j_seph

Senior Member
What about a New Heaven and New Earth, a new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride?
Is this a different place or thing than the Heaven that has streets, walls, and gates?
I do not know, all I know for a fact is wherever it is, whatever it consist of I will join my Jesus there when his father says go get him.
 
1 Corinthians 2:9
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Adam did not experience heaven in the garden, based on this text.
I'm not a literal interpreter of all that is in the bible. If you are then you have a problem, because Rev has John explaining things of heaven and here we have in your verse, no eye, ear nor heart has imagined that which God has prepared
 
I have no idea? Will there be gravity? I have no idea.
True but at some point we must decide if Heaven is physical or spiritual. Also in relation to this is the condition we will be when we get there, physical or spiritual.
Jesus ascended there physically.

Maybe it's somewhere in between the physical and spiritual realm. Bodies of flesh and bone walking down literal streets with fountains of water. Gardens, music, beautiful things we can't imagine. A virtual physical place maybe. Spiritual but experienced in a physical way we are familiar with. I think we'll be able to touch things, smell things, see things, and hear things in a remarkable new way. Beyond what we experience now.

Personally, I think it's physical but maybe God has abandoned all the science we need on this earth. In the new heaven and/or new earth we won't need science. No blood will be needed. Yet, we'll be in a body of flesh and bones. Just as Jesus was. Just as Jesus is.
But we won't be tied down to the restrictions of science.
 
True but at some point we must decide if Heaven is physical or spiritual. Also in relation to this is the condition we will be when we get there, physical or spiritual.
Jesus ascended there physically.

Maybe it's somewhere in between the physical and spiritual realm. Bodies of flesh and bone walking down literal streets with fountains of water. Gardens, music, beautiful things we can't imagine. A virtual physical place maybe. Spiritual but experienced in a physical way we are familiar with. I think we'll be able to touch things, smell things, see things, and hear things in a remarkable new way. Beyond what we experience now.

Personally, I think it's physical but maybe God has abandoned all the science we need on this earth. In the new heaven and/or new earth we won't need science. No blood will be needed. Yet, we'll be in a body of flesh and bones. Just as Jesus was. Just as Jesus is.
But we won't be tied down to the restrictions of science.
I am expecting the garden of eden scenario
 
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