GunnSmokeer
Senior Member
Suppose you are visiting central Africa, where "the law" doesn't mean much, and you know it's dangerous.
Your tour guide betrays you and ties you up and sells you to slave traders at the marketplace of a medium-sized town-- big enough to have some trade and commerce going on, but small enough that the government does not have any police or soldiers there to enforce the law.
You are sold to an Arab who takes you to some northern African country and puts you in leg irons, and orders you to be a field hand.
You want to escape, but have no opportunity.
After some months, everyone realizes you are a very good worker and well-behaved. You are given a new job of being a handyman and Mr. fix-it for the rich Arab's ranch and its several buildings.
You now have access to tools with which you can cut off your chains and make yourself free.
But in order to flee the property and get to the nearest city from which you can call the authorities for help, you'll have to steal a vehicle and some water.
The vehicles are guarded, and you cannot think of a way to steal one without taking-out the guard.
You are physically strong enough to do it, even in leg irons, if you catch the guard by surprise and use one of your knives or hammers or hatchets on him.
THE QUESTION IS: Can you do this, morally, and righteously in the eyes of God?
My first inclination is to say YES, of course you can. You are a crime victim. Kidnapping, false imprisonment, etc. All felonies. A violent assault on you started your captivity. Of course you can use violence if that is necessary to escape.
But, I asked other Christians at church about Joseph, who was thrown in a well by his brothers, whose brothers seriously debated killing him, but then decided to sell him into slavery instead...
... could JOSEPH have used deadly force to free himself from the custody of the first group of traders who happened to be passing by?
Could Joseph has struck down an Egyptian officer or member of the household staff of Potipher, to whom he was resold?
Could he have done any of that violence of his own initiative, and escaped as a matter of self-preservation, in accordance with his natural human rights and natural law?
The folks at church universally said NO. Doing so would be going against God's plan for him.
I SAY THAT JOSEPH, AT THAT TIME, KNEW NOTHING OF THAT PLAN or how things would turn out. Why would it be evil, or just not righteous, to slay those holding him captive so that he could escape?
What do you say, either about Joseph (a young Joseph, only aged 17 or whatever he was, recently sold into slavery and WITHOUT the great power and prestige he'd later have as second-in-command in Egypt) or about a hypothetical tourist in Africa in modern times, being betrayed and sold?
Your tour guide betrays you and ties you up and sells you to slave traders at the marketplace of a medium-sized town-- big enough to have some trade and commerce going on, but small enough that the government does not have any police or soldiers there to enforce the law.
You are sold to an Arab who takes you to some northern African country and puts you in leg irons, and orders you to be a field hand.
You want to escape, but have no opportunity.
After some months, everyone realizes you are a very good worker and well-behaved. You are given a new job of being a handyman and Mr. fix-it for the rich Arab's ranch and its several buildings.
You now have access to tools with which you can cut off your chains and make yourself free.
But in order to flee the property and get to the nearest city from which you can call the authorities for help, you'll have to steal a vehicle and some water.
The vehicles are guarded, and you cannot think of a way to steal one without taking-out the guard.
You are physically strong enough to do it, even in leg irons, if you catch the guard by surprise and use one of your knives or hammers or hatchets on him.
THE QUESTION IS: Can you do this, morally, and righteously in the eyes of God?
My first inclination is to say YES, of course you can. You are a crime victim. Kidnapping, false imprisonment, etc. All felonies. A violent assault on you started your captivity. Of course you can use violence if that is necessary to escape.
But, I asked other Christians at church about Joseph, who was thrown in a well by his brothers, whose brothers seriously debated killing him, but then decided to sell him into slavery instead...
... could JOSEPH have used deadly force to free himself from the custody of the first group of traders who happened to be passing by?
Could Joseph has struck down an Egyptian officer or member of the household staff of Potipher, to whom he was resold?
Could he have done any of that violence of his own initiative, and escaped as a matter of self-preservation, in accordance with his natural human rights and natural law?
The folks at church universally said NO. Doing so would be going against God's plan for him.
I SAY THAT JOSEPH, AT THAT TIME, KNEW NOTHING OF THAT PLAN or how things would turn out. Why would it be evil, or just not righteous, to slay those holding him captive so that he could escape?
What do you say, either about Joseph (a young Joseph, only aged 17 or whatever he was, recently sold into slavery and WITHOUT the great power and prestige he'd later have as second-in-command in Egypt) or about a hypothetical tourist in Africa in modern times, being betrayed and sold?