Well, Switchback xt1, I have listened to all those who have had back surgery. Arrow Flinger is right about having surgery because he got temporary relief. My back trouble started when I was 37. Since then (age 73) I have had 7 lower back, one thoraxic, two neck, both shoulders and a knee. I have had 5 other operations that wasn't back related. I have 5 fused and rods and screws added, discs. I have hardware in my lower back and in my neck. I am now to the point where I can't walk. I use a wheelchair most of the time. I have had numerous injections in my spinal area. Some worked and some didn't. I live in pain but I can't take narcotics because I am a competitive shooter. I dearly hope and pray that you don't follow the path that I had to take. I feel your pain.