Balance of power?

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GeauxLSU

Senior Member
Which branch of our government IS most powerful today and which, if you got to choose, would you allow to be most powerful?
Checks and balances are there to be circumvented and rewritten so this isn't about constitutional theory.
It's about the reality of what happens in a multi branch government.

Personally, I'd have to choose the executive branch to have the most (imbalance of) power. It's the easiest to clear the slate. A corrupt Congress and a corrupt judiciary obviously can have many many more years of ramifications.
 

WTM45

Senior Member
I think the Judiciary is potentially the most powerful, unfortunately. They can make decisions and not hear the arguments again as long as they live. Does not matter the changes in Congress or in the Presidency, as long as those old judges are breathing they continue to hang around.
I think there should be a limit on how long a judge can serve, not based on physical/mental ability but on a limit of term because they are appointed.
I think there does not need to be term limits on the Legislature, as we the people make the choices, albeit sometimes there is not much of one.

I strongly feel that the Executive Branch should continue to hold the big stick. Veto powers, executive orders and appointment are pretty big tools. A president that does not use the powers that are granted is nothing but a figurehead. That is what Socialists like. Figurehead leadership.
 
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Branchminnow

GONetwork Senator Area 51
The executive branch is also the easiest to blame, therefore one of the reasons why it's easier to clear the slate.
 

SBG

Senior Member
I agree with the Executive.

More worrisome to me is the assult that the Senate has done to the House in our bicameral congress
 

Junebug

Senior Member
I'll offer a different perspective.

Like most of you I think the executive branch has the most power today, but if I had to choose I'd say the legislative should wield the most authority.

For one man (or woman) to have the authority to single-handedly create policy without any outside influence or perspective could be perilous. At a minimum the Legislative and Judiciary branches offer the benefit of dialogue and collaboration of views; both in agreement and dissent versus Executive - one man.
 
Clearly the executive holds the most power today. I agree with Junebug that more power should reside in the Congress because it more fully represents the different interests of the various regions of the country and because by its very nature, deliberative, open debate, it affords the people a more direct voice in government than the other branches. However, it is left to Congress to assert its power in the face of encroachment by one of the other branches, and we are not seeing that today. There is the potential for disaster when one party controls two or more branches.
 
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GeauxLSU

Senior Member
Linwood said:
There is the potential for disaster when one party controls two or more branches.
Huh? With 2 parties and 3 branches, that is a required scenario by definition.
 

FX Jenkins

Senior Member
GeauxLSU said:
Huh? With 2 parties and 3 branches, that is a required scenario by definition.
You have to factor in Demonometry and Liberabra to do Lin's math....
 

WTM45

Senior Member
Linwood said:
Clearly the executive holds the most power today. I agree with Junebug that more power should reside in the Congress because it more fully represents the different interests of the various regions of the country and because by its very nature, deliberative, open debate, it affords the people a more direct voice in government than the other branches. However, it is left to Congress to assert its power in the face of encroachment by one of the other branches, and we are not seeing that today. There is the potential for disaster when one party controls two or more branches.
Unless it is the Democrats, huh Lin?
In that particular scenerio, I would agree!:flag:
 

Junebug

Senior Member
I might add...

...that I think in a sense this Congress has brought some of the lack of influence and authority upon itself.

Someone's gotta call the shots, right? If they can't get their act together any better than they have, maybe they don't deserve to have any authority.
 

dbone

Outdoor Cafe Moderator
The Executive has usurped the power of the three branches which by "definition" is facism , Websters: Facism - A one party system of governmental control marked by a centalized dictatorship, stringent socioeconomic controls and often belligerent nationalism.

Now you posed the question as which do you think has it and who do you think should have it , well our forefathers saw this " problem " when building this Democracy and that is why they entered the words " seperate but equal " Its what's made America so great , that no one branch should be allowed to control more power than the other , and if you trukly feel in your heart that one branch should have power over the other then you are Unamerican and don't deserve the protections offered to you under the constitution !
 
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GeauxLSU

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Talk about predictable.

dbone said:
The Executive has usurped the power of the three branches which by "definition" is facism , Websters: Facism - A one party system of governmental control marked by a centalized dictatorship, stringent socioeconomic controls and often belligerent nationalism.

Now you posed the question as which do you think has it and who do you think should have it , well our forefathers saw this " problem " when building this Democracy and that is why they entered the words " seperate but equal " Its what's made America so great , that no one branch should be allowed to control more power than the other , and if you trukly feel in your heart that one branch should have power over the other then you are Unamerican and don't deserve the protections offered to you under the constitution !
How did I know my very second and third sentence,
Checks and balances are there to be circumvented and rewritten so this isn't about constitutional theory.
It's about the reality of what happens in a multi branch government.
which I put in there JUST for you and your ilk would be lost on you? Hey even Linwood was able to give an answer without the usual dose of over politicizing. Was rather refreshing.
Like I've said before, I guess it's good to know some things are constant. But you did prove one thing about liberal decisiveness...
 

WTM45

Senior Member
dbone said:
The Executive has usurped the power of the three branches which by "definition" is facism...
Please give specific examples of how the Executive Branch has usurped its own power, how it has usurped the Judicial Branch, and how it has usurped the power of the Legislative Branch.


SYLLABICATION: u·surp
PRONUNCIATION: y-sûrp, -zûrp
VERB: Inflected forms: u·surped, u·surp·ing, u·surps

TRANSITIVE VERB: 1. To seize and hold (the power or rights of another, for example) by force and without legal authority. See synonyms at appropriate. 2. To take over or occupy without right: usurp a neighbor's land.
INTRANSITIVE VERB: To seize another's place, authority, or possession wrongfully.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English usurpen, from Old French usurper, from Latin srpre, to take into use, usurp. See reup- in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: u·surper —NOUN
u·surping·ly —ADVERB

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FX Jenkins

Senior Member
dbone said:
The Executive has usurped the power of the three branches which by "definition" is facism , Websters: Facism - A one party system of governmental control marked by a centalized dictatorship, stringent socioeconomic controls and often belligerent nationalism.
Thats funny, a can't find Facism in Websters...

But I can find this

fascism
One entry found for fascism.
Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
 

FX Jenkins

Senior Member
And here are some more for you dbone...

Huey P. Long
From Wikiquote
Huey P. Long, "The Kingfish", Louisiana governor

* "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come wrapped in an American flag."

* "Of course we will have fascism in America but we will call it democracy!"

* “I can frighten or buy ninety-nine out of every one hundred men.”

* “There is no dictatorship in Louisiana. There is a perfect democracy there, and when you have a perfect democracy it is pretty hard to tell it from a dictatorship.”
 
Oops. I misspoke, or mistyped. I was thinking of one party controlling both houses of Congress as well as the presidency.
 

WTM45

Senior Member
Linwood said:
Oops. I misspoke, or mistyped. I was thinking of one party controlling both houses of Congress as well as the presidency.
And that is entirely up to the voting public as to if that is how it is to be. It is no more or less inherently dangerous than any other political makeup of the Legislative Branch, as they are elected by the people.
 
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dbone

Outdoor Cafe Moderator
GeauxLSU said:
How did I know my very second and third sentence, which I put in there JUST for you and your ilk would be lost on you? Hey even Linwood was able to give an answer without the usual dose of over politicizing. Was rather refreshing.
Like I've said before, I guess it's good to know some things are constant. But you did prove one thing about liberal decisiveness...

Yes sir , when you say trash like checks and balances are there to be circumvented , That has got to be one of the most unamerican unpatriotic statements you've ever made and if you consider standing up for what the forefathers founded as over politiczing or liberal devisivness too bad when I see ilk like you and Gee w trambling on the constitution I'm too American not to take a stand :flag:
 

dbone

Outdoor Cafe Moderator
WTM45 said:
Please give specific examples of how the Executive Branch has usurped its own power, how it has usurped the Judicial Branch, and how it has usurped the power of the Legislative Branch.


SYLLABICATION: u·surp
PRONUNCIATION: y-sûrp, -zûrp
VERB: Inflected forms: u·surped, u·surp·ing, u·surps

TRANSITIVE VERB: 1. To seize and hold (the power or rights of another, for example) by force and without legal authority. See synonyms at appropriate. 2. To take over or occupy without right: usurp a neighbor's land.
INTRANSITIVE VERB: To seize another's place, authority, or possession wrongfully.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English usurpen, from Old French usurper, from Latin srpre, to take into use, usurp. See reup- in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: u·surper —NOUN
u·surping·ly —ADVERB

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you've answered your own questions with your own verbs , Think signing statements , all 800 plus of em to date ,

Nobody is above the law except me -- GW Bush
 
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