Can a Man Be Born Again More Than Once

[furtaker]

I know many people who believe OSAS and live any way they like.

And I know people who believe you can lose your salvation and that bad people go to Hades and they live any way they like. How bout that?

 

[BassMan31]

And I know people who believe you can lose your salvation and that bad people go to Hades and they live any way they like. How bout that?

more proof of the taint of OSAS. you would judge them? people struggle with sin despite knowing sin separates us from the Love of the Father; the knowledge doesn't change that struggle. But GOD is gracious and just and forgives those who repent and confess. "He giveth more grace"

the point is that OSAS provides a clean slate to sin "so that grace may abound the more". which is forbidden. it is a different matter entirely to sin "because it doesn't matter cuz' I'm under the blood" opposed to sinning because we war against sin and become weak occasionally. it is also a different matter to deny confession because 'GOD already knows' or because the sin is said to be 'under the blood'.

 

[furtaker]

more proof of the taint of OSAS. you would judge them? people struggle with sin despite knowing sin separates us from the Love of the Father; the knowledge doesn't change that struggle. But GOD is gracious and just and forgives those who repent and confess. "He giveth more grace"

the point is that OSAS provides a clean slate to sin "so that grace may abound the more". which is forbidden. it is a different matter entirely to sin "because it doesn't matter cuz' I'm under the blood" opposed to sinning because we war against sin and become weak occasionally. it is also a different matter to deny confession because 'GOD already knows' or because the sin is said to be 'under the blood'.

I guess I'm judging but you're not.

You're a trip.

 

[BassMan31]

I guess I'm judging but you're not.

You're a trip.

i know many people who sin and justify these things saying they're already forgiven in Christ (sin of presumption). Are you saying i shouldn't believe them? I've heard preachers say these things in pulpits. are you saying i shouldn't listen to them? maybe they mean something different and I'm happy to give them benefit of just intent with bad phrasing. you just let know know what they mean.


just to help out...
- say
verb

1. 1.
   utter words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction.

and yes: if you observe people sinning and say they sin for one reason or another without proof, that's judging. we sin because we struggle against sin. that's for everyone.

 

[BassMan31]

"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly" - Martin Luther: The original OSAS believer.

"If you love me, keep my commandments" - Jesus Christ of Nazareth: Son of GOD and Messiah.

the contrast is indeed stark.

 

[Artfuldodger]

"If you love me, keep my commandments" - Jesus Christ of Nazareth: Son of GOD and Messiah.

His commands are of the heart and not the old written Law. It was a new covenant not like the old one. It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth: Son of GOD and Messiah was delivering a different way than God, his Father in the Old Testament.
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Jesus did that for us. He did what man could not. Now we have to abide in Jesus' love to see the Father.

Along the concept in 2 Corinthians 3:6,
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The New Way is not the letter but the Spirit. I mean it is if one wants life.

 

[BanjoPicker]

"If you love me, keep my commandments" - Jesus Christ of Nazareth: Son of GOD and Messiah.

His commands are of the heart and not the old written Law. It was a new covenant not like the old one. It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth: Son of GOD and Messiah was delivering a different way than God, his Father in the Old Testament.
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Jesus did that for us. He did what man could not. Now we have to abide in Jesus' love to see the Father.

Along the concept in 2 Corinthians 3:6,
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The New Way is not the letter but the Spirit. I mean it is if one wants life.

When the book is opened at judgment you will be judged by the whole book from it the law may have been changed but not all of it was done away with, sin from the beginning has never changed and the Word of God has never changed the Bible has never changed, the penalty for sin has never changed either.

 

[M80]

i have scripture and the Church's teachings that shows OSAS a doctrine of the devil. I know many people who believe OSAS and live any way they like. you thinking this is "harsh" shows more of the taint OSAS introduces to belief.

And I likewise have scripture teaching OSAS is Bible doctrine. So who is right, me or you. This hasn’t edified know one that might come and read this thread and it sure hasn’t edified The Lord. I’ll stick to what The Bible has to say but I feel as though our conversation is over. I hope you’re out working for The Lord and seeing folks saved. We have seen 16 saved in the last year. It isn’t me but it’s all The Lord sending people and hearing the preached Word of God that we are seeing saved. Family’s growing together and discipleship happening. I’m so excited to see what next year holds. That’s working out our own salvation. That’s the works that James told us to do. I’ll show you my salvation by works. Praying for you sir and praying your life will effect many lost souls and your able to lead them to The Lord.

 

[M80]

When the book is opened at judgment you will be judged by the whole book from it the law may have been changed but not all of it was done away with, sin from the beginning has never changed and the Word of God has never changed the Bible has never changed, the penalty for sin has never changed either.

You’re 1000 percent wrong. Jesus said “will I remember their sins and iniquities no more”. He makes himself forget which we cannot. Our sins will never be brought back up but our works in the flesh is what we will be given awards for or not rewards. The Bible don’t contradict itself. He said he won’t remember them and then at the judgement seat of Christ bring all those back up. That’s false doctrine and a scare tactic. Our “Bema seat” judgement will be given out rewards or not getting many rewards.

 

[BanjoPicker]

You’re 1000 percent wrong. Jesus said “will I remember their sins and iniquities no more”. He makes himself forget which we cannot. Our sins will never be brought back up but our works in the flesh is what we will be given awards for or not rewards. The Bible don’t contradict itself. He said he won’t remember them and then at the judgement seat of Christ bring all those back up. That’s false doctrine and a scare tactic. Our “Bema seat” judgement will be given out rewards or not getting many rewards.

Paul taught that men can reconverted and that men can be born again more than once: "Because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith, Be not highmineded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. and this is speaking to them that have once been saved.

 

[furtaker]

i know many people who sin and justify these things saying they're already forgiven in Christ (sin of presumption). Are you saying i shouldn't believe them? I've heard preachers say these things in pulpits. are you saying i shouldn't listen to them? maybe they mean something different and I'm happy to give them benefit of just intent with bad phrasing. you just let know know what they mean.


just to help out...
- say
verb

1. 1.
   utter words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction.

and yes: if you observe people sinning and say they sin for one reason or another without proof, that's judging. we sin because we struggle against sin. that's for everyone.

I'm saying that there are plenty of people out there who believe that if they're bad, they'll go to the hot spot when they die. As a matter of fact, most people believe that. And yet they still do plenty of bad things on purpose.

So when you accuse people who believe in eternal security of living a bad life, you need to realize that it works both ways. It looks like telling people that they'll go to Hades if they sin a lot doesn't necessarily make them live right either.

 

[furtaker]

Paul taught that men can reconverted and that men can be born again more than once: "Because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith, Be not highmineded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. and this is speaking to them that have once been saved.

Have you ever lost your salvation?

 

[M80]

Have you ever lost your salvation?

He hasn’t. Only been one guy came on here in the last 10 years claiming he did. Yet not one time in the Bible is it recorded that someone lost their salvation and was saved again. It’s not in there. Just fear tactics saying you can. The Bible says God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind.

 

[furtaker]

He hasn’t. Only been one guy came on here in the last 10 years claiming he did. Yet not one time in the Bible is it recorded that someone lost their salvation and was saved again. It’s not in there. Just fear tactics saying you can. The Bible says God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind.

In their mind it's probably always the other guy who loses it.

 

[BanjoPicker]

Have you ever lost your salvation?

I believe God can keep one from it do you believe He can? Or do you doubt Him? It’s not a hard question what’s your answer yes or no.

 

[furtaker]

I believe God can keep one from it do you believe He can? Or do you doubt Him? It’s not a hard question what’s your answer yes or no.

That's not what I asked you. Have you ever lost yours?

I believe salvation is by grace which means it can't be lost.

 

[BassMan31]

He hasn’t. Only been one guy came on here in the last 10 years claiming he did. Yet not one time in the Bible is it recorded that someone lost their salvation and was saved again. It’s not in there. Just fear tactics saying you can. The Bible says God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind.

do you remember Daniel at all? he adultered, fornicated, and murdered. He went to Samuel to ask for intercession to GOD. Samuel said GOD would forgive him (save him) but David's son (with Bathsheba) would be demanded as penance?

it's like protestants have never read the OT.

 

[BassMan31]

That's not what I asked you. Have you ever lost yours?

I believe salvation is by grace which means it can't be lost.

i can say I've lost mine. I have sinned mortally against GOD before.

i asked forgiveness with tears and contrite heart and He, in His Grace and mercy, forgave me.

 

[BassMan31]

I'm saying that there are plenty of people out there who believe that if they're bad, they'll go to the hot spot when they die. As a matter of fact, most people believe that. And yet they still do plenty of bad things on purpose.

So when you accuse people who believe in eternal security of living a bad life, you need to realize that it works both ways. It looks like telling people that they'll go to Hades if they sin a lot doesn't necessarily make them live right either.

i know what you're saying. it does not go 'both ways' in the sense that you mean.

i do not accuse people who think they have 'eternal security' of living badly. they say they live badly and they say the reason they don't concern themselves over it is because "GOD done, done the thing" or whatever. it's a doctrine of the devil.

 

[M80]

do you remember Daniel at all? he adultered, fornicated, and murdered. He went to Samuel to ask for intercession to GOD. Samuel said GOD would forgive him (save him) but David's son (with Bathsheba) would be demanded as penance?

it's like protestants have never read the OT.

I think you meant David instead of Daniel but Samuel died before David was ever King. He didn’t go to Samuel. Maybe you’re thinking about Saul when he went to Samuel when he messed up. David besought God when Nathan told David of his sins.