And as a supplement to the article.
https://www.giffordlectures.org/overview/natural-theology
"A more modern view of natural theology suggests that reason does not so much seek to supply a proof for the existence of God as to provide a coherent form drawn from the insights of religion to pull together the best of human knowledge from all areas of human activity. In this understanding natural theology attempts to relate science, history, morality and the arts in an integrating vision of the place of humanity in the universe. This vision, an integrating activity of reason, is religious to the extent it refers to an encompassing reality that is transcendent in power and value. Natural theology is thus not a prelude to faith but a general worldview within which faith can have an intelligible place."
If man is doing the thinking, can it be anything else?Translation: Man-centered thinking is compatible with man-centered thinking.
A somewhat more sophisticated presentation of the same thing.
And when we find Truth, or when we fall from grace, are we not just coming around full circle, ad infinitum forevermore?Translation: Man-centered thinking is compatible with man-centered thinking.
A somewhat more sophisticated presentation of the same thing.
I suppose that depends upon whether there is an "else".If man is doing the thinking, can it be anything else?
Do we not require man-centered thinking to acheive Christ-centered thinking?
This cycle (circle) is in everything, it is the very fabric of nature (God).
"For I do not seek to understand that I may believe. but I believe in order to understand. For this also I believe,—that unless I believed, I should not understand."
(Anselm, Proslogium, Ch. 1, last sentence; a restatement from Augustine)
Skepticism or Pantheism? Maybe both?
"For I do not seek to understand that I may believe. but I believe in order to understand. For this also I believe,—that unless I believed, I should not understand."
I like this a lot.
Not sure about the second part, are you asking me if I'm a skeptic or a pantheist?
I don't consider myself much of anything really.
I'm sometimes a skeptic, I use Christianity as my spiritual vehicle and a means to explain nature but I think that's only because that is what is most familiar to me.
I suppose if I were born in the far East I might use the Hindu or Buddhist vehicle, I tend to see most all of the ancient teachings as teying to acheive the same thing but with different "skins" so to speak.
I hope I understood you correctly
Think about who figured out those numbers and then think about what is written in the bible that is just plain inaccurate and flat out wrong.Saw a couple interesting comments concerning the film Is Genesis History. These probably describe my thoughts the most and the reason I believe you can be both scientific and spiritual.
1. The Bible is not a science textbook. Who would have understood that God took 2,678,453 molecules of carbon & reacted them with 5,789,453 molecules of hydrogen & chemically combined them with 4,512,984 molecules of oxygen using 6,415,915 hertz frequency of ultraviolet light. The Bible is not a how book. It’s a book designed to tell us who was responsible for all of it.
2. Before writing my comment I will say I have not seen this film. That being said, in this post is framed as biblical creation VS evolution. I know some christians oppose evolution but I am not one of them. I 100% believe God created all things, but also that evolution is a possible process by which His living creations have been shaped and formed. God as a creator of nature and evolution as a natural process within His creation do not appear to be contradictory or incompatible. Just something I thought I’d throw out there.
Can you be scientific and spiritual?
Can you be scientific and spiritual is a different question than can you be scientific and religious.Are they mutually exclusive? I guess that's the question. I'm not sure which way to go with this. So if I'm a Nobel prize winning scientist and I come to believe in God, am I suddenly stupid? Conversely, if I believe in God, can I not hold the belief that 2+2=4? You really need to think these questions out more thoroughly. Religion is only a belief, in most cases, in the "super" natural. It's doesn't deny the natural. Atheism is a denial(in most cases) in the "super" natural. Atheism is more exclusive than Theism in that sense.
My thoughts aren’t necessarily the accuracy of the numbers - The key portions are “The Bible is not a science textbook, not a how book. It’s a book designed to tell us who was responsible for all of it”Think about who figured out those numbers and then think about what is written in the bible that is just plain inaccurate and flat out wrong.
One source seems more god like
Evolution, or more specifically Darwinian Evolution is riddled with holes. Darwin had great answers to important questions of his time, but he has not been able to explain the why.Saw a couple interesting comments concerning the film Is Genesis History. These probably describe my thoughts the most and the reason I believe you can be both scientific and spiritual.
1. The Bible is not a science textbook. Who would have understood that God took 2,678,453 molecules of carbon & reacted them with 5,789,453 molecules of hydrogen & chemically combined them with 4,512,984 molecules of oxygen using 6,415,915 hertz frequency of ultraviolet light. The Bible is not a how book. It’s a book designed to tell us who was responsible for all of it.
2. Before writing my comment I will say I have not seen this film. That being said, in this post is framed as biblical creation VS evolution. I know some christians oppose evolution but I am not one of them. I 100% believe God created all things, but also that evolution is a possible process by which His living creations have been shaped and formed. God as a creator of nature and evolution as a natural process within His creation do not appear to be contradictory or incompatible. Just something I thought I’d throw out there.
No.Are they mutually exclusive? I guess that's the question. I'm not sure which way to go with this. So if I'm a Nobel prize winning scientist and I come to believe in God, am I suddenly stupid? Conversely, if I believe in God, can I not hold the belief that 2+2=4? You really need to think these questions out more thoroughly. Religion is only a belief, in most cases, in the "super" natural. It's doesn't deny the natural. Atheism is a denial(in most cases) in the "super" natural. Atheism is more exclusive than Theism in that sense.
I would think the bible should be 100% accurate regarding the information contained within it's text.My thoughts aren’t necessarily the accuracy of the numbers - The key portions are “The Bible is not a science textbook, not a how book. It’s a book designed to tell us who was responsible for all of it”
And primarily “I 100% believe God created all things, but also that evolution is a possible process by which His living creations have been shaped and formed”
I don’t really have that much heart burn with science and evolution, it’s the origin of life and it’s based on my spiritual belief as described in red above.