Doctrine of Satan

[Spotlite]

I agree with most of what you are saying but you do believe that Jesus has a body?

Now? If we are to “ascend” just as he did, scripture says we’ll be changed from corruptible to incorruptible. I don’t think this skin suit is welcomed there.

I think Jesus sitting at the right hand of God means He’s returned to the Godhead and is now a function of it - power and authority.

 

[gordon 2]

Now? If we are to “ascend” just as he did, scripture says we’ll be changed from corruptible to incorruptible. I don’t think this skin suit is welcomed there.

I think Jesus sitting at the right hand of God means He’s returned to the Godhead and is now a function of it - power and authority.

Repent! Repent! Repent! Edit! Edit! Edit!... before its too late!

Jesus appeared to lots of folk bodily after his death on the cross.

Drink more water bros and less coffee maybe.

Nevertheless "right or wrong I'll always love you..." George Strait.

 

[Spotlite]

Repent! Repent! Repent! Edit! Edit! Edit!... before its too late!

Jesus appeared to lots of folk bodily after his death on the cross.

Drink more water bros and less coffee maybe.

Nevertheless "right or wrong I'll always love you..." George Strait.

Yeaahhhhh BUT He didn’t appear in body after His ascension……

He gone and the spirit is here.

 

[gordon 2]

Yeaahhhhh BUT He didn’t appear in body after His ascension……

He gone and the spirit is here.

Are you sure? In some Christian traditions this is surely not the case.

 

[Spotlite]

Are you sure?

Outside of dreams / visions, I haven’t found any place in scripture where Jesus appeared in flesh form as Jesus after He ascended into heaven - but I’m open to being wrong.

 

[Artfuldodger]

Outside of dreams / visions, I haven’t found any place in scripture where Jesus appeared in flesh form as Jesus after He ascended into heaven - but I’m open to being wrong.

But he will return in bodily form? Did he park his body at the gates of Heaven?
I'm just saying that if Satan does have a body, it could be sorta along the lines of what Jesus has. That did make me think of Jesus and his body and how he has made appearances of some sort after his ascension. He ascended in some sort of a body. Isn't the whole resurrection thing about our bodies in the future coming out of the ground?
The only folks I have ran across that see it as just a spiritual resurrection are Preterist.

 

[Artfuldodger]

Seriously, I don't believe Satan has a body but I do believe that Jesus does and that he dwells in it this day.

 

[NE GA Pappy]

seems to me the word person needs to be defined. I would never refer to satan or God as a person myself

 

[Spotlite]

But he will return in bodily form? Did he park his body at the gates of Heaven?
I'm just saying that if Satan does have a body, it could be sorta along the lines of what Jesus has. That did make me think of Jesus and his body and how he has made appearances of some sort after his ascension. He ascended in some sort of a body. Isn't the whole resurrection thing about our bodies in the future coming out of the ground?
The only folks I have ran across that see it as just a spiritual resurrection are Preterist.

I’m definitely nit Preterist.

I have no clue how all that’ll break down at that time. I hear what you’re saying, but based on this -

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body”

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality”

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”

If we can physically die - we’re not in a spiritual body.

 

[Artfuldodger]

I’m definitely nit Preterist.

I have no clue how all that’ll break down at that time. I hear what you’re saying, but based on this -

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body”

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality”

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”

If we can physically die - we’re not in a spiritual body.

Then this transformation can only happen "at the last trump."
If so then "and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" would have to be breath and not the actual spiritual body of that person when their physical body returns to dust.

To me it has to be one or the other. Either our spirits return to God when we died physically or they have to wait "until the last trump." It makes no sense to return to the earth for any type if a body, spiritual or physical.

 

[Spotlite]

Then this transformation can only happen "at the last trump."
If so then "and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" would have to be breath and not the actual spiritual body of that person when their physical body returns to dust.

To me it has to be one or the other. Either our spirits return to God when we died physically or they have to wait "until the last trump." It makes no sense to return to the earth for any type if a body, spiritual or physical.

I’m not convinced we go to heaven as soon as we die.

Who are the dead in Christ that will rise first?

I do believe their “spirit / soul” is at rest and many believe in the Bosom of Abraham - wherever that is, to be absent from the body is to be in Christ…..

I’ve seen the paintings of dead folk coming out of the graves, I don’t believe that’s going to be the case. They’ll rise from wherever the Bosom of Abraham is, their flesh has already turned back to dust.

I believe you either go in or not at the judgment. I know the wicked will be judged then but I’m just saying that’s the time you get to hear enter in.

You mentioned Preterist - they believe all of that has already happened and you’re individually “judged” from now on as if there’s not going to be the great judgment. The great judgment hasn’t happened - the dead in Christ have not been placed inside of heaven yet.

I realize this is my opinion, I’m just stating how I comprehend it.

 

[BanjoPicker]

Yeaahhhhh BUT He didn’t appear in body after His ascension……

He gone and the spirit is here.

Read St John chapter 20. and notice V 13 and then V 17 then 26 and 27 which prove that he had to have ascended, or Thomas could have not touch Him, His nail scared hands, or put his hand in His side if He had no body, Amen, now I ask you did the Bible say that there was a body found in sepulchre?

 

[BanjoPicker]

THE ORIGIN OF SATAN
He was created by Christ along with all other principalities and powers in Heaven and in Earth Col.1:15-18; Job 38:4-7. He is definitely referred to as a created being in Ezek. 28:11-17; "Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Thus, he was not always the devil or an adversary of God. He was created perfect and sinless and became the enemy of God and man through sin in trying to exalt himself above God.

 

[Spotlite]

Read St John chapter 20. and notice V 13 and then V 17 then 26 and 27 which prove that he had to have ascended, or Thomas could have not touch Him, His nail scared hands, or put his hand in His side if He had no body, Amen, now I ask you did the Bible say that there was a body found in sepulchre?

John 20 Verse 17 that you’re referring to says this -
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:”

How does it prove the ascension???

You’re talking about the resurrection. I’m speaking of the ascension - two separate events. The passages you’re referring to are happening after the resurrection and prior to the ascension. The ascension is when He was “taken up and a cloud received Him”.

After the ascension there are no scriptures that I can find where Jesus appeared in the flesh.

 

[Artfuldodger]

John 20 Verse 17 that you’re referring to says this -
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:”

How does it prove the ascension???

You’re talking about the resurrection. I’m speaking of the ascension - two separate events. The passages you’re referring to are happening after the resurrection and prior to the ascension. The ascension is when He was “taken up and a cloud received Him”.

After the ascension there are no scriptures that I can find where Jesus appeared in the flesh.

Yet he did resurrect in the flesh. If Jesus did, won't we? He might not have ascended in the flesh, he might not have appeared in the flesh after his ascension, and he may not return in the flesh, but he did resurrect from the grave in the flesh.

 

[Artfuldodger]

THE ORIGIN OF SATAN
He was created by Christ along with all other principalities and powers in Heaven and in Earth Col.1:15-18; Job 38:4-7. He is definitely referred to as a created being in Ezek. 28:11-17; "Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Thus, he was not always the devil or an adversary of God. He was created perfect and sinless and became the enemy of God and man through sin in trying to exalt himself above God.

I can't really see where any of the verses you have shared show that he was created in the flesh.

 

[Spotlite]

Yet he did resurrect in the flesh. If Jesus did, won't we? He might not have ascended in the flesh, he might not have appeared in the flesh after his ascension, and he may not return in the flesh, but he did resurrect from the grave in the flesh.

I wouldn’t argue against this. I think it hits the main focus - that change to incorruptible somewhere between resurrection and ascension.

 

[gemcgrew]

THE ORIGIN OF SATAN
He was created by Christ along with all other principalities and powers in Heaven and in Earth Col.1:15-18; Job 38:4-7. He is definitely referred to as a created being in Ezek. 28:11-17; "Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Thus, he was not always the devil or an adversary of God. He was created perfect and sinless and became the enemy of God and man through sin in trying to exalt himself above God.

Satan was not created perfect in the sense that God is perfect. Satan was perfectly created for a perfect purpose. Satan's ways are perfectly assigned in the manifestation of Christ to His people.

The Scriptures testify of Christ, not Satan.

 

[Israel]

Satan was not created perfect in the sense that God is perfect. Satan was perfectly created for a perfect purpose. Satan's ways are perfectly assigned in the manifestation of Christ to His people.

The Scriptures testify of Christ, not Satan.

Just like Adam. Perfect for a perfect purpose. To "show off" Christ.

What wants to "return" to the so called pre fall Adamic state...has not yet seen the Christ of God. (That ain't Adam)

The first man is of the earth, earthy...


The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The Christ of God is all that is not of my self.

 

[Artfuldodger]

It does appear Satan's purpose would be so that Adam could sin so that God could send his Son, known for his purpose from before any of this took place.
Satan would never have been allowed to do this if it wasn't part of God's plan.
God didn't change His plan to suit Satan or Adam, nor us.