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hopper
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They will do whatever they got to do to keep it going the best they can. Nobody likes the dependence on China but in the end it all depends on what is available and how much will the consumer will pay. They certainly wouldn't be the 1st to not being able to adapt.
OwlRNothing
Senior Member
Until we realize that unions are the problem with U.S. manufacturing - we will continue to export manufacturing to Asia, where cheap labor is abundant. Of course, the product you get is almost always cheap as well, sadly.
Nimrod71
Senior Member
I remember when things were made totally in the United States not just assembled here. A lot of things that are listed as made here, now, are actually assembled here using parts made in other countries.
As for Minnkota and others I don't expect to see them being manufactured here, the cost would be too high, we would not be able to afford them.
The dates of inexpensive manufactured goods are Gone With the Wind.
As for Minnkota and others I don't expect to see them being manufactured here, the cost would be too high, we would not be able to afford them.
The dates of inexpensive manufactured goods are Gone With the Wind.
The Original Rooster
Mayor of Spring Hill
I'm certainly not pro-union, but no industry in this country didn't get a union that they didn't deserve. Then, almost always after that, every union doing it's very best to kill the golden goose they work for!
It just doesn't make sense sometimes how industry and labor fight to their mutual destruction in this country. We need to bring home what we can and bring into this hemisphere everything else to shorten supply lines and reduce China's industrial power that we GAVE them.
I just bought a new paddle. Hope this helps.
We are at the mercy of our ways.
Will this shut down Walmart one day also.
We are at the mercy of our ways.
Will this shut down Walmart one day also.
IMO we have got to realize we must protect our economy and our people. We must realize that by being completely dependent on other countries endangers both. We must support the direct manufacturing of certain essential items and that means that we don't allow American small business prices to be undercut by foreign country slave pricing. We should make it mandatory that a required percentage of these mandatory items must be purchased from within our country.
As long as American workers blame other American workers for the downfall of manufacturing in the US American workers will be forced to contend with the vagaries of markets on a global scale. Unions have NOTHING to do with the demise of manufacturing in the US but are an easy and very visible scapegoat used by the investor class to justify their offshoring of capital while insisting that US military spending increased enough to secure their gambles in economies which would not be stable enough to justify the risk were it not for the United States taxpayer footing the bill for global security. The investor class spent many years and an untold amount of money convincing the American people they couldn't compete in the US because of labor costs while transferring the true cost of their overseas production on the very people they refused to pay a living wage to then and now....and unfortunately too many people fell for this slight of hand and will forever tote the water for the unbridled greed that is omni present in American capital.
It costs a certain amount of money for a human being to survive in a society. That money can either be earned by working, by stealing or by taxpayer assistance.....but the cost remains regardless. American capital diverted their portion of these costs to taxpayers and pretended like it was unions, taxation and regulation that drove them to overseas locations where the only guarantee they get that the entirety of their investment is not seized by less stable economies is the US Military and its bloated and ridiculous budget.....and way to many Americans lay the blame at American workers because doing so fits on a bumper sticker while understanding the true reason requires some abstract thought. There is a direct correlation between military spending and US investment in offshoring...and the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the middle class gets stretched thinner and thinner.
I'm certainly not pro-union, but no industry in this country didn't get a union that they didn't deserve. Then, almost always after that, every union doing it's very best to kill the golden goose they work for!
It just doesn't make sense sometimes how industry and labor fight to their mutual destruction in this country. We need to bring home what we can and bring into this hemisphere everything else to shorten supply lines and reduce China's industrial power that we GAVE them.
There would be ZERO US investment in places like China were it not for US Taxpayers footing the bill for global security by themselves completely. No other nation on the planet adds a red penny to that bill other than the working men and women of this nation. Other nations more or less foot the bill for their own security based on their own interests while the US does this as well as footing the bill for global security and relatively stable global markets. They would not exist in any form or fashion without either US taxpayers footing the bill or the nations of the world doing so. American capital has ran this country since its inception and has seen to it that we protect their interests abroad no matter the cost domestically. Donald Trump is the only elected official that I ever heard who ever mentioned this irrefutable fact and he did so by telling NATO that it was time for them to pay their own freight. It wasn't unions, taxes or regulations that destroyed US Manufacturing it was the greed of US manufacturing investment and for years they were able to shunt the blame to any manner of scapegoats while reaping the benefits. Unfortunately too many Americans are convinced it was unions, regulations and taxes and those same Americans are suffering the resulting demise of the American middle class and looking for anyone to blame other than the actual culprits.
I had a professor in college in the late 80's tell us that an investment in China was far safer than a similar investment in the United States. A nation with a controlled economy and an ongoing war with basic human rights violations was a safer place to invest money than one where there is a strong middle class and is highly functioning with a mature market economy. That professor was not alone in that thinking...the majority of Americans share that opinion to some extent and politicians from both sides of the aisle foster the idea while taking billions from donors who like the idea to stay in office. There never was an ounce of truth in it and there never will be an ounce of truth in it but as long as the US taxpayer is willing to ensure that investment against risk it is absolutely true in theory. The problem is that it is not sustainable but capital is, by nature, mobile, and will merely go to the next best location when they destroy the US.
All we need to do is what Donald Trump said and insist that the rest of the world pay their share of the cost for global security and relatively stable markets instead of US taxpayers going it alone and the rest of the world living on the dole. We won't do that though because the capital class is not interested in it because they have been allowed to have their cake and eat it too for far to long and they have conned a sizeable number of Americans into believing it was American workers and Americans not wanting to live in a nation where rivers catch on fire to blame....
westcobbdog
Senior Member
Folks need to wake up the Chinamen have the ability to cut off millions from their meds..we shouldn’t have a single ibuprofen tablet made there.
doomtrpr_z71
Senior Member
Most of Johnson outdoors products are made in the US, what minn kota model have you found made in China?
The units that have gps e.g. spot lock and jog are supposedly made in China. Their high end trolling motors haven't been available for months and the earliest dates of availability is now August.
doomtrpr_z71
Senior Member
I just looked at plenty of them at the sports center, they were all made in the USA, including this one
Maybe assembled in US but many parts are made in China. Ask any dealers about the Ultrex backorders.
doomtrpr_z71
Senior Member
The GPS units are made in Taiwan, the control boards are made here, there are some Chinese electric motors in the ultrex, but the box literally says made in USA, the foreign parts content is pretty minor. Shipping anything that large is a pain right now with shipping the way it is, there's a lot simpler products than a spot lock trolling motor having trouble getting into stores.
krisjack
Senior Member
I am pro-union and I hope they become the norm as they protect workers.
across the river
Senior Member
And if you truly believe that, I have an ocean front house in Kansas that you might be interested in.
Here's another example of how Johnson who ownes Hummingbird and Minnkota seem out of touch. Hummingbird has developed Targetlock for which keeps their Megalive locked onto a selected target no matter if boat turns. My reference to their apparent lack of communication is the new Target Lock is currently only compatible with the MK Ultrex which is a unavailable product from MK. So their only customers will be those who already own a Ultrex.
