Eternal Life Can Be Lost

[gordon 2]

Pillar of salt and salt of the earth. To look back and to look forward.

In a spiritual world where God works against you or for you to the benefit of your life all are predestined to live in His this his creation. The individual can chose to be moved by or disregard his condition--to accept it as his or her fate. If he/she decides to be moved regardless of the estate the movement is mostly forward looking. If the choice is one of disregard and disinterest the movement is retrospective.

So man is predestined by God's will for him by the duality of condition for man where man has choices to make about his spiritual life, even if to have one or to have a God at all as a father... And the choice(s) was ever man's to have even in paradise where both the Tree of Life and the Tree of Good and Evil grew and to live from one or the other or from both an option and so our lives were spiritually predestined.

Within these estates we chose because we have the ability to repent and to move forward or backwards. And in the case of feeding on Christ it is that many will never look back and turn to pillar of salt. But we do look back by choice and grieve the Holy Spirit feeding on all trees as if all was equal.

We have the choice to believe or not to believe.

 

[BanjoPicker]

Did Paul mean by the word "reprobate" that it was time for them to be laid on the shelf until God took them to Heaven? How could they be saved and go to Heaven when Paul classed them as "rejected" in Heb. 6:8? He spoke of them as bearing thorns and briers and whose end is to be burned. Is God going to burn all cracked pots and all who are laid on the shelf and take them to Heaven also? That voice from silent centuries does not speak the truth, so we had better reject it and believe the present thundering voice of God which says, if ye live after the flesh, YE SHALL DIE," not to be on the shelf until God takes you to Heaven (Rom. 8:12-13).
When Paul was afraid of being a "castaway" he literally meant he was afraid of losing his soul in He11 with all other reprobates and rejected men. When he told us what he had to do lest he should lose his soul, he wanted us to know that true security is in bring the body under subjection as in Rom. 8:13 and in LIVING RIGHT INSTEAD OF LIVING IN SIN EVERY DAY, as advocated by unconditional securityites (Gal. 5:16-24; Rom. 8:1-13; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; 2 Cor. 5:17; 7:1; 10:4, 5; Gal. 2:20; 6:14; Phil. 3:7-14; 2 Tim. 4:7, 8; Heb. 12:14). Notice in these passages that Paul not only lived a holy life, but he showed the way that all others should live in the same manner. He was not an unconditional security man. He taught conditional security, which is the only true security in Scripture.

 

[BanjoPicker]

"Let me alone that my wrath may wax hot against them and that I may CONSUME them" (Exod. 32:10, 12; 33:3, 5; Num. 16:21, 45; Deut. 7:16, 22; Jer. 8:13). God did CONSUME many of the elect of Israel because of sin (Num. 11:1; 14:35; 16:26, 35; 32:13; Deut. 2:15, 16; Josh. 5:6). God vowed that He would consume all who would for sake Him and live in sin (Isa. 1:28; 64:7; Jer. 5:3; 9:16; 14:15; Ezek. 5:12; 22:31). Paul said that we must "have grace [Love] to serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: for our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:28-29).

 

[BanjoPicker]

The statement of 2 Pet. 2:20, 21 prove that men can sin and be lost. One writer says, "one really not born again may follow a little while outwardly, but they are loke dogs who turn to their own vomit again . . . If a dog had ever been regenerated and become a sheep, if the sow had ever been changed and become a lamb, neither would have gone back to the filth . . . A dog is always a dog, and a sow is always a sow. one saved can never be lost."
This argument is illogical and unscriptural. In the first place the writer should know that no man is ever turned into another creature, as a dog a sheep, or a lamb by the new birth. Unsaved men are compared to sheep as well as are saved men (Isa. 53:6; Lk. 5:1-10). A literal sheep can never be a man and a man can never become a sheep by the new birth, much less a dog or a sow. The new birth does not make him either, nor does backsliding.
Peter is merely comparing a backslider to a dog going to his vomit again and a sow to her mire again, to show that a saved man can go back into sin again and be worse than in the beginning. He never dreamed men would ever get so illogical as to think that he taught that a dog or a sow could ever be anything else, but he did expect men to have sense enough to understand a simple illustration or comparison of a saved man going back into sin again.
To say 2 Pet. 2:20, 21 refers to false teachers who have never been saved is to deny plain facts in this passage. There certainly is nothing in this passage or any other to support such and argument. Just to opposite is plainly stated here. The ones to whom Peter refers, as well as their followers, had one time had real experiences and were once saved, as proved by the following facts.

"Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray" 2 Pet. 2:15, 16). The Greek word for "forsaken" is kataleipo to abandon, forsake and leave behind. It refers to leaving something of which one is a part such as a wife Mt. 19:5; Eph. 5:31, a city Mt. 4:13, a country Heb. 11:27. Forsaken the way of righteousness would then mean leaving something of which one had been a part. One could not leave the right way if he had not been in the right way. This is too obvious to deny. The phrase "gone astray" further proves this. This phrase is always used of something that has been in the right way at one and then departed from it Ex. 23:4; Deut. 22:1; Ps. 119:67, 176; Prov. 28:10; Ezek. 44:10-15; 48:11; Mt. 18:12, 13; 2 Pet. 2:15.