Eternal life

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ETERNAL LIFE is not the physical life of the body for we have this only as long as the soul and spirit remain in the body. DEATH IN SCRIPTURE MEANS separation from the purpose for which a creature was created. PHYSICAL DEATH IS THE SEPARATION OF THE INNER MAN FROM THE BODY. When this takes place one loses physical life (James 2:26). ETERNAL LIFE is not the natural immortality or consciousness of the soul and spirit, for both the saved and unsaved exist forever and are fully conscious after physical death (Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 10:28; 17:3; Luke 20:38; 23:43; Phil. 1:21-23; 2 Cor. 5:8; Rev. 6:9-11; Heb. 12:23; 1 Pet. 3:4; John 11:24-25; 14:19). The soul exists and is conscious even though it is dead (Eph. 2:1-10; Matt. 8:22; 1 Tim. 5:6). SPIRITUAL DEATH IS THE SEPARATION OF THE INNER MAN FROM GOD because of sin (Isa. 59:2; Eph. 2). ETERNAL LIFE THEREFORE COULD NOT BE the natural eternal life or consciousness of the inner man either in or out of the body. ETERNAL LIFE COULD NOT be the eternal existence or consciousness of eternal souls in eternal he11, for only the righteous have eternal life by abiding in Christ (John 3:15-18, 36; 5:24; 15:1-7; 1 John 2:24, 25; 5:11). ETERNAL DEATH IS THE ETERNAL "SEPARATION" FROM GOD (Matt. 10:28; 25:41, 46; Rev. 2:11; 14:9-11; 20:11-15; 21:8; Isa. 66:22-24). Eternal life is the opposite of eternal death---eternal union with God (John 17:3; 1 John 2:24, 25; 5:11, 12; 1 Cor. 6:17).

It was Adam in his sinless spiritual state of life who was told "in the day that thou eatest thereof THOU SHALT SURELY DIE" (Gen. 2:17; 3:1-19). The Greek word for life is zoe and it is used in connection with eternal thirty times and everlasting fourteen times. one tires to prove that believers receive zoe life and that this is not the kind life Adam had, but 1 Cor. 15:45 states that Adam had zoe (living) soul.

Others argue that Adam's life was natural and forfeitable and not spiritual and eternal as is that of the believer today, but the word translated living is zoe and is used of Adam in the above passage. It is translated living in connection with God: "the living [zoe] God" (Matt. 16:16; 22:32; 26:63) ; "living [zoe] water . . . springing up into everlasting life" (John 4:10, 14) ; "living [zoe] bread" that gives eternal life (John 6:51, 54) ; "living [zoe] waters" referring to the Holy spirit (John 7:37-39) ; and "living [zoe] way" that leads to life (Heb. 10:20). Do God and all these things have natural and forfeitable life? If so, then that was what Adam had.

Eternal life was given to Adam upon condition that he would remain in union with God and not sin, and it was said that if he did sin he would die or be separated from God and lose that life (Gen. 2:17). Sin was the only thing that could and did take his eternal life away (Rom. 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15:21, 22). Since Adam could have lived forever if he had not sinned, then he had eternal life. If he had eternal life he lost it by sin. If he could lose it by sin, then all other men who regain it can also lose it again by sin. What kind of life was it that he lost the day he sinned if, it was not eternal life, for according to the penalty for sin was eternal death, thus he had to lose the opposite of eternal death, or eternal life.
 
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gordon 2

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ETERNAL LIFE is not the physical life of the body for we have this only as long as the soul and spirit remain in the body. DEATH IN SCRIPTURE MEANS separation from the purpose for which a creature was created. PHYSICAL DEATH IS THE SEPARATION OF THE INNER MAN FROM THE BODY. When this takes place one loses physical life (James 2:26). ETERNAL LIFE is not the natural immortality or consciousness of the soul and spirit, for both the saved and unsaved exist forever and are fully conscious after physical death (Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 10:28; 17:3; Luke 20:38; 23:43; Phil. 1:21-23; 2 Cor. 5:8; Rev. 6:9-11; Heb. 12:23; 1 Pet. 3:4; John 11:24-25; 14:19). The soul exists and is conscious even though it is dead (Eph. 2:1-10; Matt. 8:22; 1 Tim. 5:6). SPIRITUAL DEATH IS THE SEPARATION OF THE INNER MAN FROM GOD because of sin (Isa. 59:2; Eph. 2). ETERNAL LIFE THEREFORE COULD NOT BE the natural eternal life or consciousness of the inner man either in or out of the body. ETERNAL LIFE COULD NOT be the eternal existence or consciousness of eternal souls in eternal he11, for only the righteous have eternal life by abiding in Christ (John 3:15-18, 36; 5:24; 15:1-7; 1 John 2:24, 25; 5:11). ETERNAL DEATH IS THE ETERNAL "SEPARATION" FROM GOD (Matt. 10:28; 25:41, 46; Rev. 2:11; 14:9-11; 20:11-15; 21:8; Isa. 66:22-24). Eternal life is the opposite of eternal death---eternal union with God (John 17:3; 1 John 2:24, 25; 5:11, 12; 1 Cor. 6:17).
It was Adam in his sinless spiritual state of life who was told "in the day that thou eatest thereof THOU SHALT SURELY DIE" (Gen. 2:17; 3:1-19). The Greek word for life is zoe and it is used in connection with eternal thirty times and everlasting fourteen times. one tires to prove that believers receive zoe life and that this is not the kind life Adam had, but 1 Cor. 15:45 states that Adam had zoe (living) soul. Others argue that Adam's life was natural and forfeitable and not spiritual and eternal as is that of the believer today, but the word translated living is zoe and is used of Adam in the above passage. It is translated living in connection with God: "the living [zoe] God" (Matt. 16:16; 22:32; 26:63) ; "living [zoe] water . . . springing up into everlasting life" (John 4:10, 14) ; "living [zoe] bread" that gives eternal life (John 6:51, 54) ; "living [zoe] waters" referring to the Holy spirit (John 7:37-39) ; and "living [zoe] way" that leads to life (Heb. 10:20). Do God and all these things have natural and forfeitable life? If so, then that was what Adam had.
Eternal life was given to Adam upon condition that he would remain in union with God and not sin, and it was said that if he did sin he would die or be separated from God and lose that life (Gen. 2:17). Sin was the only thing that could and did take his eternal life away (Rom. 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15:21, 22). Since Adam could have lived forever if he had not sinned, then he had eternal life. If he had eternal life he lost it by sin. If he could lose it by sin, then all other men who regain it can also lose it again by sin. What kind of life was it that he lost the day he sinned if, it was not eternal life, for according to the penalty for sin was eternal death, thus he had to lose the opposite of eternal death, or eternal life.
Right. I got the trajectory. But what is eternal life?
 
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of dam nation.
 

gordon 2

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John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of dam nation.
So, do you really think that settles it?
 

hobbs27

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So, do you really think that settles it?
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John 3:16New King James Version (NKJV)

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
 
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Eternal Life

ETERNAL LIFE is not the physical life of the body for we have this only as long as the soul and spirit remain in the body. DEATH IN SCRIPTURE MEANS separation from the purpose for which a creature was created. PHYSICAL DEATH IS THE SEPARATION OF THE INNER MAN FROM THE BODY. When this takes place one loses physical life (James 2:26). ETERNAL LIFE is not the natural immortality or consciousness of the soul and spirit, for both the saved and unsaved exist forever and are fully conscious after physical death (Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 10:28; 17:3; Luke 20:38; 23:43; Phil. 1:21-23; 2 Cor. 5:8; Rev. 6:9-11; Heb. 12:23; 1 Pet. 3:4; John 11:24-25; 14:19). The soul exists and is conscious even though it is dead (Eph. 2:1-10; Matt. 8:22; 1 Tim. 5:6). SPIRITUAL DEATH IS THE SEPARATION OF THE INNER MAN FROM GOD because of sin (Isa. 59:2; Eph. 2). ETERNAL LIFE THEREFORE COULD NOT BE the natural eternal life or consciousness of the inner man either in or out of the body. ETERNAL LIFE COULD NOT be the eternal existence or consciousness of eternal souls in eternal he11, for only the righteous have eternal life by abiding in Christ (John 3:15-18, 36; 5:24; 15:1-7; 1 John 2:24, 25; 5:11). ETERNAL DEATH IS THE ETERNAL "SEPARATION" FROM GOD (Matt. 10:28; 25:41, 46; Rev. 2:11; 14:9-11; 20:11-15; 21:8; Isa. 66:22-24). Eternal life is the opposite of eternal death---eternal union with God (John 17:3; 1 John 2:24, 25; 5:11, 12; 1 Cor. 6:17).
It was Adam in his sinless spiritual state of life who was told "in the day that thou eatest thereof THOU SHALT SURELY DIE" (Gen. 2:17; 3:1-19). The Greek word for life is zoe and it is used in connection with eternal thirty times and everlasting fourteen times. one tires to prove that believers receive zoe life and that this is not the kind life Adam had, but 1 Cor. 15:45 states that Adam had zoe (living) soul. Others argue that Adam's life was natural and forfeitable and not spiritual and eternal as is that of the believer today, but the word translated living is zoe and is used of Adam in the above passage. It is translated living in connection with God: "the living [zoe] God" (Matt. 16:16; 22:32; 26:63) ; "living [zoe] water . . . springing up into everlasting life" (John 4:10, 14) ; "living [zoe] bread" that gives eternal life (John 6:51, 54) ; "living [zoe] waters" referring to the Holy spirit (John 7:37-39) ; and "living [zoe] way" that leads to life (Heb. 10:20). Do God and all these things have natural and forfeitable life? If so, then that was what Adam had.
Eternal life was given to Adam upon condition that he would remain in union with God and not sin, and it was said that if he did sin he would die or be separated from God and lose that life (Gen. 2:17). Sin was the only thing that could and did take his eternal life away (Rom. 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15:21, 22). Since Adam could have lived forever if he had not sinned, then he had eternal life. If he had eternal life he lost it by sin. If he could lose it by sin, then all other men who regain it can also lose it again by sin. What kind of life was it that he lost the day he sinned if, it was not eternal life, for according to the penalty for sin was eternal death, thus he had to lose the opposite of eternal death, or eternal life.
It could not be merely natural life that he lost the day he sinned, for he lived 248,652 literal days after that day (Gen. 5:5 ). If Adam's body did not die the day he sinned, then it must have been his soul that died and was cut off from living forever. Adam's soul lost eternal life the day he sinned. Since it could not be natural life he lost it must be spiritual and eternal life, which was cancelled by eternal death. Adam's soul did not lose its own life or consciousness, or it would have ceased to function. The soul is the life of the body and the body cannot function without the soul and its life. It is certain Adam did not lose physical life for his body continued to function 930 years, therefore, it must have been spiritual and eternal life that he lost. Man's natural life exists of itself separate and apart from God, for sinners continue to exist separate and apart from God (Isa. 59:2; Eph. 2). Spiritual and eternal life cannot be given to man until he is resurrected from sins and united to God's Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17; 12:12, 23; Rom. 8:9; Eph. 2:1-9). This proves that spiritual and eternal life are something apart from man's natural life.
If eternal life were part of a man it could not be lost without his losing himself also. But as long as a thing is not a part of one it can be lost. The fact that eternal life is God's life which is given to a person as something separate and apart from himself proves it can be lost. For if is only in God that men have eternal life, then to be separated from Him is to lose that life. Since only sin separates from God (Isa. 59:2) and causes death (Gen. 2:17; Ezek. 18:4), only sin can cause one to lose this life (Rom. 8:12, 13).

ETERNAL LIFE IS THE OPPOSITE OF ETERNAL DEATH. Since eternal death is eternal separation from God, eternal life is eternal union with God by the cancellation of the eternal death penalty. It is GOD'S LIFE and it is never our life if we are not dwelling in God. It is ours only when we get into Christ and it is ours only as long as we abide in Him (1 John 2:24; 5:11, 12). It is therefore something separate and apart from us and is imparted to us only when we are saved and as long as we are saved. Christ is our life and we have it as long as we have Him (Col. 2:6, 7; 3:4; John 15:1-7). We are free from the death penalty as long as we live holy and free from sin. When we again go back into sin we incur the death penalty, we die again, and we lose the eternal life that is only in Christ. If this separation from sin is only temporary the life with God will be only temporary, but if sin never again separates, then there will always be life with God and never again death through sin. The fact is that saved men can and do go back into sin that separates from God, proving eternal life can be lost.
When the soul sins, it dies, or it is separated from God, and it forfeits the life of God by this sin, hence it loses the life it could have had eternally if it had remained in union with God and holy eternally. The sinful soul apart from God continues to function, but it is "dead" or "separated" from God whose life the soul enjoyed as long as it remained in union with Him. If it never becomes united with God again it remains forever dead and separated from God and the life which is eternal in God. This is why the soul suffers eternal death or separation from God (Mark 9:45; Isa. 66:22-24; Rev. 14:9-12; 19:20; 20:10-15; 21:8). The continued life in He11 is not called eternal life for the same reason the sinning soul is considered dead while on Earth (Matt. 8:22; Eph. 2:1-9; 1 Tim. 5:6). It is not true normal life in harmony with God. It is only existing out of union with God contrary to the created purpose. Men are considered dead to sin and Satan when they are separated from them and are in union with God (Rom. 6:2, 7-13; 8:10; 1 Pet. 2:24) and they are also considered dead to God when they are separated from God and in union with sin and Satan (Rom. 6:1-23; Eph. 2:1-9; Col. 2:13; Isa. 59:2). Faith is even spoken of as being dead when separated from works (James 2:17-26).
If the soul loses its own life when it sins , then it would cease to exist, for to be separated from its own life means cessation of existence, and this the Bible never teaches by death, as seen in the above passages. In this case there would be no need of a resurrection, judgment, or an eternal He11. The soul is not the physical blood, for the blood cannot sin of itself like the soul. The soul lives when the blood is gone and the body has decayed. If the blood were the soul then ever time any blood is lost, part of the soul would be lost. When one loses his soul he loses himself, not merely the blood (Luke 9:25 with Mark 8:36). Sin proceeds from inner man, not from part of the body (1 Cor. 6:18; Mark 7:19-21).
 

gordon 2

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Quote{"Since eternal death is eternal separation from God, eternal life is eternal union with God by the cancellation of the eternal death penalty. " }End Quote.
 
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Eternal Life

It could not be merely natural life that he lost the day he sinned, for he lived 248,652 literal days after that day (Gen. 5:5 ). If Adam's body did not die the day he sinned, then it must have been his soul that died and was cut off from living forever. Adam's soul lost eternal life the day he sinned. Since it could not be natural life he lost it must be spiritual and eternal life, which was cancelled by eternal death. Adam's soul did not lose its own life or consciousness, or it would have ceased to function. The soul is the life of the body and the body cannot function without the soul and its life. It is certain Adam did not lose physical life for his body continued to function 930 years, therefore, it must have been spiritual and eternal life that he lost. Man's natural life exists of itself separate and apart from God, for sinners continue to exist separate and apart from God (Isa. 59:2; Eph. 2). Spiritual and eternal life cannot be given to man until he is resurrected from sins and united to God's Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17; 12:12, 23; Rom. 8:9; Eph. 2:1-9). This proves that spiritual and eternal life are something apart from man's natural life.
If eternal life were part of a man it could not be lost without his losing himself also. But as long as a thing is not a part of one it can be lost. The fact that eternal life is God's life which is given to a person as something separate and apart from himself proves it can be lost. For if is only in God that men have eternal life, then to be separated from Him is to lose that life. Since only sin separates from God (Isa. 59:2) and causes death (Gen. 2:17; Ezek. 18:4), only sin can cause one to lose this life (Rom. 8:12, 13).

ETERNAL LIFE IS THE OPPOSITE OF ETERNAL DEATH. Since eternal death is eternal separation from God, eternal life is eternal union with God by the cancellation of the eternal death penalty. It is GOD'S LIFE and it is never our life if we are not dwelling in God. It is ours only when we get into Christ and it is ours only as long as we abide in Him (1 John 2:24; 5:11, 12). It is therefore something separate and apart from us and is imparted to us only when we are saved and as long as we are saved. Christ is our life and we have it as long as we have Him (Col. 2:6, 7; 3:4; John 15:1-7). We are free from the death penalty as long as we live holy and free from sin. When we again go back into sin we incur the death penalty, we die again, and we lose the eternal life that is only in Christ. If this separation from sin is only temporary the life with God will be only temporary, but if sin never again separates, then there will always be life with God and never again death through sin. The fact is that saved men can and do go back into sin that separates from God, proving eternal life can be lost.
When the soul sins, it dies, or it is separated from God, and it forfeits the life of God by this sin, hence it loses the life it could have had eternally if it had remained in union with God and holy eternally. The sinful soul apart from God continues to function, but it is "dead" or "separated" from God whose life the soul enjoyed as long as it remained in union with Him. If it never becomes united with God again it remains forever dead and separated from God and the life which is eternal in God. This is why the soul suffers eternal death or separation from God (Mark 9:45; Isa. 66:22-24; Rev. 14:9-12; 19:20; 20:10-15; 21:8). The continued life in He11 is not called eternal life for the same reason the sinning soul is considered dead while on Earth (Matt. 8:22; Eph. 2:1-9; 1 Tim. 5:6). It is not true normal life in harmony with God. It is only existing out of union with God contrary to the created purpose. Men are considered dead to sin and Satan when they are separated from them and are in union with God (Rom. 6:2, 7-13; 8:10; 1 Pet. 2:24) and they are also considered dead to God when they are separated from God and in union with sin and Satan (Rom. 6:1-23; Eph. 2:1-9; Col. 2:13; Isa. 59:2). Faith is even spoken of as being dead when separated from works (James 2:17-26).
If the soul loses its own life when it sins , then it would cease to exist, for to be separated from its own life means cessation of existence, and this the Bible never teaches by death, as seen in the above passages. In this case there would be no need of a resurrection, judgment, or an eternal He11. The soul is not the physical blood, for the blood cannot sin of itself like the soul. The soul lives when the blood is gone and the body has decayed. If the blood were the soul then ever time any blood is lost, part of the soul would be lost. When one loses his soul he loses himself, not merely the blood (Luke 9:25 with Mark 8:36). Sin proceeds from inner man, not from part of the body (1 Cor. 6:18; Mark 7:19-21).
When God told Adam, "ye shall surely die," He meant it and when He says to a saved men today that the soul that sinneth it shall die, He means it. This applies to all men who sin and saved men today are no exception. Both Adam and Eve believed the first teacher of unconditional eternal security, the devil, and lost eternal life. So it is today with all who sin and believe the modern lie of the devil that sinning-saints cannot be lost.
Eternal life does not make us members of the Deity, for we would then be equal with God. If we were members of the Godhead we could not sin, because God cannot sin; we could not make mistakes, because God cannot make mistakes. We would be absolutely and eternally holy and would have all the qualities of Deity. We know this is not true of human beings who are in Christ, so they cannot be members of the Deity. If they are not members of the Godhead when they receive eternal life, then eternal life is not their own life, and therefore, it remains God's life as long as they are in union with God. They are in union with God until sin again separates from Him (Isa. 59:2; Rom. 8:12, 13; Ezek. 18:4; James 5:19, 20; Gal. 5:19-21; 6:7, 8).
 
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hobbs27

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When God told Adam, "ye shall surely die," He meant it and when He says to a saved men today that the soul that sinneth it shall die, He means it. This applies to all men who sin and saved men today are no exception. Both Adam and Eve believed the first teacher of unconditional eternal security, the devil, and lost eternal life. So it is today with all who sin and believe the modern lie of the devil that sinning-saints cannot be lost.
Eternal life does not make us of the Deity, for we would then be equal with God. If we were members of the Godhead we could not sin, because God cannot sin; we could not make mistakes, because God cannot make mistakes. We would be absolutely and eternally holy and would have all the qualities of Deity. We know this is not true of human beings who are in Christ, so they cannot be members of the Deity. If they are not members of the Godhead when they receive eternal life, then eternal life is not their own life, and therefore, it remains God's life as long as they are in union with God. They are in union with God until sin again separates from Him (Isa. 59:2; Rom. 8:12, 13; Ezek. 18:4; James 5:19, 20; Gal. 5:19-21; 6:7, 8).
You know what Adam and Eve didn't have, that we do?
It's the reason Adam died in the day he took of the fruit... And we don't.
 
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Adam The New Ruler Of The Earth

You know what Adam and Eve didn't have, that we do?
It's the reason Adam died in the day he took of the fruit... And we don't.
Adam had the greatest responsibility of any man that has ever lived, outside of Christ. He was given dominion over all creation to rule for God and to be subject to God forever. He was given the charge to keep out all enemies and to resist all claims of spirit-beings concerning dominion of the earth. God knew that Lucifer and the fallen spirits were still around and would contest man's claim of dominion. God permitted this so as to test the new free moral governor of the Earth.
The responsibility of Adam included the bringing into the world of his own kind and the training of them to respect God, to continue in righteousness and true holiness, to reject all temptation and to overcome all enemies. The charge to Adam and Eve is stated in Gen. 1:26-29; 2:15-17, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb [grain bearing plant and vegetation] . . . . and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat . . . . And the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it [Protect, preserve it, as in Gen. 3:24; 17:9-10; 18:19] And the Lord God commanded the man , saying Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
 
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
 
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Eternal Life

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who has all the qualities of Deity and who is a part of the Godhead. He has self-existent life by virtue of being a member of the Deity (John 5:26; 1 John 5:7, 8; John 3:16). Men are merely adopted sons and live as long as the penalty death is not passed upon them because of sin after they get into Christ.
If this is true, then the teaching about security that men in Christ cannot die again regardless of how much they sin is wholly false. Similarly, the idea is false that one can lose fellowship but not relationship. What good is relationship if one goes to eternal He11 and suffers the penalty for sin that he would have suffered had he never been saved? One can lose eternal life and be lost. Eternal life is given to us upon the condition that we remain in Christ by living free from sin and rebellion against God. Eternal life has been lost and that Lucifer, many angels, demons, and men who were at one time in God's grace or favor are going to spend eternity in eternal He11 regardless of sonship, fellowship, and relationship with God. When fellowship is lost, relationship means nothing. All angels are called "sons of God" (Job. 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). Fallen angels are still "sosn of God" but many of them are in He11 today (2Pet. 2:4; Jude 6, 7) and all of them will finally go to He11 regardless of sonship (Matt. 25:41). Not one passage in Scripture ever hints that a man may lose fellowship because of sin and still retain relationship with God and eternal life in Heaven.
 
ETERNAL LIFE is not the physical life of the body for we have this only as long as the soul and spirit remain in the body. DEATH IN SCRIPTURE MEANS separation from the purpose for which a creature was created. PHYSICAL DEATH IS THE SEPARATION OF THE INNER MAN FROM THE BODY.
What kind of resurrection will we have when Christ returns, physical or spiritual?
 
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The Kinds Of Resurrection

There are two main kinds of resurrection: spiritual and material. Spiritual resurrection is that of the spirit being quickened from death in trespasses and sins. Such a resurrection causes one to be renewed in the image and likeness of God (1 Cor. 11:7; Eph. 4:21-24; Col. 3:10; James 3:9). It is taught in Eph. 2:1-6; 5:14; Rom. 6:11 and takes place only in this life. When physical death comes all possibility of such spiritual resurrection has passed (Eccl. 11:1; Heb. 9:27; Rev. 22:11). Material resurrection is that of the body.

"a workman that needth not to be ashamed, righty dividing the word of truth" (2 Tim. 2:15).
 
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Why do not men who teach this doctrine give simple Scriptures that prove their point; that is, furnish Scriptures that do not need to be twisted in order to get the desired meaning? Why don't they give some concrete examples in Scriptures where men have lost fellowship and died out of fellowship and have gone to Heaven? Such Scriptures and examples cannot be found and this is the reason they do not quote them. Why would God want to take free moral agents to Heaven who choose to be out of fellowship with Him? Why would God have fellowship with creatures in Heaven that He cannot fellowship on Earth? Surely they have committed sin, or they would not be out of fellowship. Where is there one statement that God is under obligation to take such men to Heaven when they die out of fellowship? Where is there any Scripture that He obligated to bring them back into fellowship before they die? Suppose a man is suddenly killed before he has a chance to regain fellowship, as has been true of many? Is God obligated to fellowship him just because he dies? Would not God be broad enough to fellowship men while they are alive in sin if He has to do it when they die in sin? It is inconceivable that God will fill Heaven with such creatures who are out of fellowship with Him. If He will not fellowship them on Earth He will not do it in Heaven and there is no Scripture that obligates Him to ever do so.
 
Why do not men who teach this doctrine give simple Scriptures that prove their point; that is, furnish Scriptures that do not need to be twisted in order to get the desired meaning? Why don't they give some concrete examples in Scriptures where men have lost fellowship and died out of fellowship and have gone to Heaven? Such Scriptures and examples cannot be found and this is the reason they do not quote them. Why would God want to take free moral agents to Heaven who choose to be out of fellowship with Him? Why would God have fellowship with creatures in Heaven that He cannot fellowship on Earth? Surely they have committed sin, or they would not be out of fellowship. Where is there one statement that God is under obligation to take such men to Heaven when they die out of fellowship? Where is there any Scripture that He obligated to bring them back into fellowship before they die? Suppose a man is suddenly killed before he has a chance to regain fellowship, as has been true of many? Is God obligated to fellowship him just because he dies? Would not God be broad enough to fellowship men while they are alive in sin if He has to do it when they die in sin? It is inconceivable that God will fill Heaven with such creatures who are out of fellowship with Him. If He will not fellowship them on Earth He will not do it in Heaven and there is no Scripture that obligates Him to ever do so.
Romans 9:15-16
For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
 
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ETERNAL LIFE CAN BE LOST

Unconditional securityites say, "A believer can never be lost. If anyone is lost he was never saved. . . . Eternal life would not be eternal if it could be lost. Would salvation be salvation if it could be lost? If a single saved man is ever lost, God has failed . . . Christ is insufficient to keep them saved and God is unfaithful to them. . . . Once in grace always in grace and once a son always a son is perfectly scriptural." These statements from prominent men in religion circles in America are some of the most unwise and unscriptural ones of any that we have every read. They are the basis of a theory that violates the laws of God, nature, and logic. As a mental proposition such theory assumes an unsound position an is a disgrace to the art of human reasoning. Just because a man is once saved from sin and He11 is no sign that he cannot go back into sin and be lost again and finally go to He11. No Scripture has yet been found that says he cannot lose eternal life and no one will ever be able to produce a Scripture that says such a thing, so it will take more than statements of men to prove this claim.
 
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