I sense more COVID closures are coming

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My household and I are maintaining 90%+ reduced social contact and adhering to social distancing and respiratory hygiene requirements carefully. But when we do get out, we see folks being very careless with respect to social distancing (except for church). It's almost like they have hit the "back to normal" switch and are incapable of maintaining social distancing when out and about.

I don't really believe most parents _want_ school from home to continue into the 2020-2021 school year. Nor do I think most working people want forced business restrictions and other closures. But by taking this "back to normal" attitude, I think this is what they are going to get.

It's not just about the increased numbers, it's that it is so obvious most of the general public cannot be trusted to maintain social distancing requirements when allowed out. And don't even get me started on what parents are allowing their children (up to 18) to do. Enjoy the school year, you've earned it!
 

Elephant

Senior Member
My household and I are maintaining 90%+ reduced social contact and adhering to social distancing and respiratory hygiene requirements carefully. But when we do get out, we see folks being very careless with respect to social distancing (except for church). It's almost like they have hit the "back to normal" switch and are incapable of maintaining social distancing when out and about.

I don't really believe most parents _want_ school from home to continue into the 2020-2021 school year. Nor do I think most working people want forced business restrictions and other closures. But by taking this "back to normal" attitude, I think this is what they are going to get.

It's not just about the increased numbers, it's that it is so obvious most of the general public cannot be trusted to maintain social distancing requirements when allowed out. And don't even get me started on what parents are allowing their children (up to 18) to do. Enjoy the school year, you've earned it!
I’m a believer this virus is going to run through us like a hot knife through butter. Prolong for now or wait till October. Either way it’s going do it’s thing. Country can’t shut down till the vaccine is dispensed...that time frame will cripple this country to the point of no return. I’m an educator, so naturally my family and I have social distanced. No vacations, no gatherings, had to bury my grandfather with 8 people in attendance, limited shopping, but a lot of scouting and fishing with the kids.

I understand your frustration but when they allowed millions to protest while businesses, churches, and for the most part responsible individuals “stayed low”.......what do you expect? Just my observation.
 

Paleo

Senior Member
We're not going to get herd immunity until more people contract the Wuhan virus. Cases are way up because of contact tracing that wasn't happening earlier in the pandemic (I haven't seen any data on how many are asymptomatic or mild but I suspect it is "most"). Deaths are way way down and aren't rising with the increase in new cases.
 

dwhee87

Senior Member
It's not just about the increased numbers, it's that it is so obvious most of the general public cannot be trusted to maintain social distancing requirements when allowed out. And don't even get me started on what parents are allowing their children (up to 18) to do. Enjoy the school year, you've earned it!
So who shall be the arbiter of who can be trusted and who can't. Are you the one that will make that call? Or the call to the authorities on who to arrest when you see their (up to 18) year old kids doing something you object to? I seem to recall reading some history about pre-Nazi Germany, when people were turning in their neighbors and thought that government knew best. I for one, do not plan on getting in the boxcar.

If you or your family are worried about going out, then don't.

I've spent the better part of a 30 year career in a hazmat suit and respirator. What I see in public is not making anyone safer, not to mention how they manage contamination control at their own homes. Hey, but if it make you feel safer, more power to ya'.

There are a few people on here that are in medical or medical-related professions that have a clue of what I'm talking about. The rest of the public, not so much. But you know what, I don't go around pointing and gawking at them (even though a lot of them look at me like I'm wearing a Scarlet Letter).

This is not about health or infection control. It's about control. Period.
 
Thread starter #9
I'm not saying that government control is right. In most cases it is unconstitutional.

(Other than closing public schools, which we should all agree they have the authority to do.)

But I'm saying that increased government control is an expected consequence of refusing to maintain the 6 ft distance and adhere to basic respiratory hygiene when out and about.

When someone is in a private business and the private business has made customers aware of the expectations and boundaries, are customers not out of bounds to ignore the owner's boundaries? Should customers be free to ignore the stipulations of the business owners?

Because that's what I'm seeing.
 

dwhee87

Senior Member
If a store owner says "masks only", then that's absolutely his right, and my choice whether to abide or take my business elsewhere (whether I believe masks are helping anything, or not).

Increase government control is an unconstitutional over reach, and I for one, EXPECT the government to follow the constitution. The fact that more of us dont, and haven't stood up and held them accountable, is the reason we're on the brink of socialism.
 
I'm not saying that government control is right. In most cases it is unconstitutional.

(Other than closing public schools, which we should all agree they have the authority to do.)

But I'm saying that increased government control is an expected consequence of refusing to maintain the 6 ft distance and adhere to basic respiratory hygiene when out and about.

When someone is in a private business and the private business has made customers aware of the expectations and boundaries, are customers not out of bounds to ignore the owner's boundaries? Should customers be free to ignore the stipulations of the business owners?

Because that's what I'm seeing.
You have to give examples of the businesses your talking about and whether they actually have a rule stating they require mask. I have not run into a business that requires yet (granted I haven’t been out much).
 
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Crakajak

Daily Driveler News Team
You have to give examples of the businesses your talking about and whether they actually have a rule stating they require mask. I have not run into a business that requires yet (granted I haven’t been out much).
Every one of my Drs require masks. Great Clips requires them.I wear a mask any time I am inside a building with other people.I give them plenty of space...mask or no mask.I wear a mask inside customer homes,but not outside.
 
My household and I are maintaining 90%+ reduced social contact and adhering to social distancing and respiratory hygiene requirements carefully. But when we do get out, we see folks being very careless with respect to social distancing (except for church). It's almost like they have hit the "back to normal" switch and are incapable of maintaining social distancing when out and about.

I don't really believe most parents _want_ school from home to continue into the 2020-2021 school year. Nor do I think most working people want forced business restrictions and other closures. But by taking this "back to normal" attitude, I think this is what they are going to get.

It's not just about the increased numbers, it's that it is so obvious most of the general public cannot be trusted to maintain social distancing requirements when allowed out. And don't even get me started on what parents are allowing their children (up to 18) to do. Enjoy the school year, you've earned it!
You are never going to be able to force everyone else to do what you think they should. So it falls on you ultimately. If people aren’t cautious enough to suit you then it’s probably best to just stay away from people.
 
Every one of my Drs require masks. Great Clips requires them.I wear a mask any time I am inside a building with other people.I give them plenty of space...mask or no mask.I wear a mask inside customer homes,but not outside.
Doctors and dentist I have seen. I guess I should have asked for others outside of those. My mistake...Great Clips I did not know about. I’m asking more in relation to businesses outside of healthcare.
 
I look at wearing a mask the same as no shirt no shoes no service.I am smart enough to not have the Gov,t force me to do things.Guess most have to be told .
I certainly think a mask is similar to a no shirt policy that a business can implement. However, at least locally in Georgia, how many actual businesses have this mask policy (outside of healthcare)? What is preventing businesses from implementing this? Not a fan of government at all but a case could be made to others (non wearing mask folks) that businesses are going to implement this policy (similar to your no shirt no service) that leaves the government on the sidelines (which is where they belong).
 

Crakajak

Daily Driveler News Team
I certainly think a mask is similar to a no shirt policy that a business can implement. However, at least locally in Georgia, how many actual businesses have this mask policy (outside of healthcare)? What is preventing businesses from implementing this? Not a fan of government at all but a case could be made to others (non wearing mask folks) that businesses are going to implement this policy (similar to your no shirt no service) that leaves the government on the sidelines (which is where they belong).
A lot of restaurants still aren,t open because they can,t control their customers actions inside the business.My local GC and several other buffet restaurants still aren,t open.If a business wants me to wear a mask !I have the opion of doing it or just going someplace else.
 
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