If a virus killed your daughter but not you, could you witness on the power of prayer?

[bullethead]

No not at all… he created them perfect, with everything they needed. Their choice to do right or wrong
if u raise ur child the best u can… teach them, guide them, educate them and love them… and they chose to become a serial killer, is it ur design?

Adam and Eve had nobody to base their life actions after. They were the first. All they had was god to use as a role model. Did god explain the rules to them as a parent would? Did god explain the consequences as a parent would? Did god sit them down and go over his expectations of them as a parent would. If Adam and Eve were the first humans and so innocent and naive how/who did god expect them to use as an example of how to behave properly?

As a parent I know for darn sure that if I told a child to NOT open a drawer because there is something in there that could harm them that drawer will be opened eventually. Conversely, if I show them what is in the drawer, explain why it is harmful, explain why I do not want them to mess with it, do everything in my power to make it difficult for them to gain access to that drawer and its contents and then explain to them the punishment for disobeying me then I have done my job as a parent. It is my job to teach them. Not punish them for expecting them to know the rules without ever explaining the rules.

 

[NCHillbilly]

So then why punish the sons and daughters for being just like their father?

At least Zeus admitted his faults. He would smite you with lightning for bringing it up to him yourself, but he didn't claim to be perfect.

 

[NCHillbilly]

Adam and Eve had nobody to base their life actions after. They were the first. All they had was god to use as a role model. Did god explain the rules to them as a parent would? Did god explain the consequences as a parent would? Did god sit them down and go over his expectations of them as a parent would. If Adam and Eve were the first humans and so innocent and naive how/who did god expect them to use as an example of how to behave properly?

As a parent I know for darn sure that if I told a child to NOT open a drawer because there is something in there that could harm them that drawer will be opened eventually. Conversely, if I show them what is in the drawer, explain why it is harmful, explain why I do not want them to mess with it, do everything in my power to make it difficult for them to gain access to that drawer and its contents and then explain to them the punishment for disobeying me then I have done my job as a parent. It is my job to teach them. Not punish them for expecting them to know the rules without ever explaining the rules.

And also your job not to leave the sharp kitchen knives and porn mags and loaded pistol and Zippo lighter in the knee-high drawer in the kids' bedroom.

 

[Longbeard16]

Adam and Eve had nobody to base their life actions after. They were the first. All they had was god to use as a role model. Did god explain the rules to them as a parent would? Did god explain the consequences as a parent would? Did god sit them down and go over his expectations of them as a parent would. If Adam and Eve were the first humans and so innocent and naive how/who did god expect them to use as an example of how to behave properly?

As a parent I know for darn sure that if I told a child to NOT open a drawer because there is something in there that could harm them that drawer will be opened eventually. Conversely, if I show them what is in the drawer, explain why it is harmful, explain why I do not want them to mess with it, do everything in my power to make it difficult for them to gain access to that drawer and its contents and then explain to them the punishment for disobeying me then I have done my job as a parent. It is my job to teach them. Not punish them for expecting them to know the rules without ever explaining the rules.

Please stop posting all these facts because it's ruining a darn good bedtime story. Jeez Some people just have to see things their way or no way! It's how they were trained.

 

[bullethead]

And also your job not to leave the sharp kitchen knives and porn mags and loaded pistol and Zippo lighter in the knee-high drawer in the kids' bedroom.

Exacta-Mundo Fonzarelli

 

[ky55]

It's how they were trained.

Trained?
How about indoctrinated?

 

[Longbeard16]

Trained?
How about indoctrinated?

Yes better term!

 

[Artfuldodger]

“If a virus killed your daughter but not you, could you witness on the power of prayer?”

That ^^^ question is really hitting home right now. We began a journey on September 26 when my brother was taken to ER, admitted into ICU for internal bleeding and eventually diagnosed with non alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver.

The call we didn’t want came at 11:30pm last tonight - “this is nurse ……you need to bring your mom to the hospital”

So, me and my sister are sitting here in his room with our mom awaiting for his passing.

I can witness that yes prayer works. I’m also realizing that his lifestyle and lack of concern for his health created this monstrous night.

I have all the normal “I don’t understand” thoughts, but for obvious reasons I’m not going to debate those right now.

So sorry for your loss right now.

 

[kmh1031]

Adam and Eve had nobody to base their life actions after. They were the first. All they had was god to use as a role model. Did god explain the rules to them as a parent would? Did god explain the consequences as a parent would? Did god sit them down and go over his expectations of them as a parent would. If Adam and Eve were the first humans and so innocent and naive how/who did god expect them to use as an example of how to behave properly?

As a parent I know for darn sure that if I told a child to NOT open a drawer because there is something in there that could harm them that drawer will be opened eventually. Conversely, if I show them what is in the drawer, explain why it is harmful, explain why I do not want them to mess with it, do everything in my power to make it difficult for them to gain access to that drawer and its contents and then explain to them the punishment for disobeying me then I have done my job as a parent. It is my job to teach them. Not punish them for expecting them to know the rules without ever explaining the rules.

 

[kmh1031]

Adam and Eve where perfect. Today we cannot imagaine what that means and the knowledge they had, health, well being that would open up to us because of our imperfect state.

Also as a good parent would do, god spoke to them daily, in the “breezy part of the day” instructing them, talking to them, guiding them as the Bible says. They were not created and had to “fend for themselves” education, or life wise.

many are trying to find fault with god or this perfect situation test many would love to be in…that now, no death, sickness, crime, etc

They had perfect knowledge, bodies, mind, and made a conscience decision (not preprogrammed) to sin… So again Rom 5:12 shows the result of their disobedience
Solution on the way soon as Ps 37 show…. but many will say brainwashed, while we say same about the others…!

so… Carry on.. and I guess the true test, truth of these discussions will be seen soon enough..

 

[bullethead]

Adam and Eve where perfect. Today we cannot imagaine what that means and the knowledge they had, health, well being that would open up to us because of our imperfect state.

Also as a good parent would do, god spoke to them daily, in the “breezy part of the day” instructing them, talking to them, guiding them as the Bible says. They were not created and had to “fend for themselves” education, or life wise.

many are trying to find fault with god or this perfect situation test many would love to be in…that now, no death, sickness, crime, etc

They had perfect knowledge, bodies, mind, and made a conscience decision (not preprogrammed) to sin… So again Rom 5:12 shows the result of their disobedience
Solution on the way soon as Ps 37 show…. but many will say brainwashed, while we say same about the others…!

so… Carry on.. and I guess the true test, truth of these discussions will be seen soon enough..

"Adam and Eve were perfect"
Apparently not.

How many parents punish the rest of the family and all that come after them for forever for the actions of one or two?

 

[kmh1031]

Inherited sin Romans 5:12 from our parents has been corrected by the ranson sacrifice of Jesus. Perfect life for perfect life. For all those that do gods will

Of course God could have solved the problem there. However their were billions of onlookers… and Satan raised the issue of universal sovereignty l: gods right to rule and a righteous rule vs satans claim man is better off without God.
So… god is letting all govts, mans rule take its course to prove as Ps 146:3-4 is true… man cannot even direct his own steps… we certainly see that today with the wars, crime, political systems thst don’t work… and the state of the world.

This will certainly and has proven man is NOT better off without gods direction and guidance.
Thus the purposes of his Kingdom… Dan 2:44. And the hope in PS 37 and Rwvelation 21:3-4 all bad done away with and dead raised as a result of adamic son… with a chance to correct it.

 

[bullethead]

Inherited sin Romans 5:12 from our parents has been corrected by the ranson sacrifice of Jesus. Perfect life for perfect life. For all those that do gods will

Of course God could have solved the problem there. However their were billions of onlookers… and Satan raised the issue of universal sovereignty l: gods right to rule and a righteous rule vs satans claim man is better off without God.
So… god is letting all govts, mans rule take its course to prove as Ps 146:3-4 is true… man cannot even direct his own steps… we certainly see that today with the wars, crime, political systems thst don’t work… and the state of the world.

This will certainly and has proven man is NOT better off without gods direction and guidance.
Thus the purposes of his Kingdom… Dan 2:44. And the hope in PS 37 and Rwvelation 21:3-4 all bad done away with and dead raised as a result of adamic son… with a chance to correct it.

What exactly was Jesus's sacrifice? What was the downside?
Has god been without the company of his son since the cross?

Surely a god could and would have foreseen all of man's weaknesses and decisions prior to waiting thousands of years to introduce his Jesus solution. Why wait and purposely kill all those people in between?

What has changed human wise since the cross?


Wars, crime, political systems that just don't work and the state of the world is no different today than 1000 or 6000 years ago. Times were no more peaceful or in less chaos during the Bible years as they are now.

 

[NCHillbilly]

What exactly was Jesus's sacrifice? What was the downside?
Has god been without the company of his son since the cross?

Surely a god could and would have foreseen all of man's weaknesses and decisions prior to waiting thousands of years to introduce his Jesus solution. Why wait and purposely kill all those people in between?

What has changed human wise since the cross?


Wars, crime, political systems that just don't work and the state of the world is no different today than 1000 or 6000 years ago. Times were no more peaceful or in less chaos during the Bible years as they are now.

I would guess that people and civilization then was actually a hundred times more violent and brutal than it is now.

 

[bullethead]

I would guess that people and civilization then was actually a hundred times more violent and brutal than it is now.

Yeah, talk about morals and religion....

 

[1eyefishing]

CaNt ArGuE wItH tHE BiBLe.

 

[NCHillbilly]

Yeah, talk about morals and religion....

Don't recall any crucifixions around here lately, for starters.

 

[kmh1031]

None at my house either…. Check the origin (crucifix, cross) of it.

More violent then than now?? check the world wars, nuclear weapons, much more…. Ethnic cleansing and more… how many died in these?
And yes false religion has been the cause of many a death u are correct on that
Revelation calls them (Babylon the great) the “killer of the prophets” meaning the world of false religion

 

[bullethead]

None at my house either…. Check the origin (crucifix, cross) of it.

More violent then than now?? check the world wars, nuclear weapons, much more…. Ethnic cleansing and more… how many died in these?
And yes false religion has been the cause of many a death u are correct on that
Revelation calls them (Babylon the great) the “killer of the prophets” meaning the world of false religion

It is all relative. 2 atomic weapons have been used in Battle. Nuclear weapons have been deterrents so far.
50,000 men hacking at another 50,000 men with swords is pretty gruesome. The pages of your bible contain as much ethnic cleansing ordered by your god as any other.

I never said anything about "false" religion. Everyone that worships something thinks whatever their religion is the "right" religion. It takes two to fight and last I checked there wasn't one religion that won any battles by opting out of battles and wars.

 

[ky55]

None at my house either…. Check the origin (crucifix, cross) of it.

More violent then than now?? check the world wars, nuclear weapons, much more…. Ethnic cleansing and more… how many died in these?
And yes false religion has been the cause of many a death u are correct on that
Revelation calls them (Babylon the great) the “killer of the prophets” meaning the world of false religion

That’s about the most unrealistic comparison I’ve ever seen on here.
The bronze sword was the equivalent of a nuclear weapon at that time.
Everything is realitive to the time frame.

 

[ky55]

It is all relative. 2 atomic weapons have been used in Battle. Nuclear weapons have been deterrents so far.
50,000 men hacking at another 50,000 men with swords is pretty gruesome. The pages of your bible contain as much ethnic cleansing ordered by your god as any other.

I never said anything about "false" religion. Everyone that worships something thinks whatever their religion is the "right" religion. It takes two to fight and last I checked there wasn't one religion that won any battles by opting out of battles and wars.

Sorry Bullet,
I think we posted similar thoughts at the same time.