Islam, creation, and science

There are good, tolerant people that come to this forum. But I believe that there are enough "We need to turn that place to glass" folks, and "By gawd everybody but us is wrong" folks, and the "I'm sure you are a great person, but you are still going to he!!" folks ...
There might be one person in the Spiritual forum that fits that description.


... if a person was to come here and announce that they were Muslim, the silence would be deafening.
:huh:

What would the appropriate response be? My response to that would be ... "OK."
 

gordon 2

Senior Member
I just read recently of Gengis Khan's decimation of the Islamic world in the 1200s. He burnt Bagdad and other cities to the ground and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Bagdad's science, art, and culture is said to have rivaled ancient Greece. I wonder if that had anything to do with them being behind everyone else from that moment on?
My understanding is that the fundamentalist and conservatives (and perhaps even that they were the minority) rubbed out the liberals... especially scolars, scientists and thinkers....etc... before or at this time...
 
My understanding is that the fundamentalist and conservatives (and perhaps even that they were the minority) rubbed out the liberals... especially scolars, scientists and thinkers....etc... before or at this time...
If this was the PF I'd ask then why is the socialist/liberal mindset so prolific here and in Europe?


But no worries, I got this one...

:p
 
You have one, born and raised in Georgia. Mainly muslim because of family, you probably know more about the Koran then I do. But I'm definitely no stranger to the outdoors.
 
You have one, born and raised in Georgia. Mainly muslim because of family, you probably know more about the Koran then I do. But I'm definitely no stranger to the outdoors.
Interesting, thanks for responding, I guess you don't fit the stereotype as supposedly Muslims don't do the outdoors. My Dad knew a guy who sold expensive shotguns mostly to Muslims. Although not hunting at least a related hobby.
 
So what "is" the Muslim view on creation? Does the koran have anything like Genesis' first chapters?

Why is it that only protestant Christians get invited to debate atheists on creation-vs.-evolution? What about Jews and Muslims? What about any other religion that has a story about a God or gods creating the world and the people in it, rather than having everything happen in a happy accident following a big bang and some warm pond scum?
 
I got a couple of perspectives today. Had a conference in Clearwater and gave a ride back to Orlando to a couple of my colleagues in our research group. They're both from Turkey and are only mildly religious. They said that, at least in Turkey, it's a lot like here. Some from every part of the spectrum. They did point out that the Koran is quite abstract about the creation of man. Something like man was created out of sand and water. So there is not the same level of conflict as here between creationism and evolution. I've only had the patience to read bits and pieces of the Koran and just never ran across this issue before.

And as far as no Muslims on GON...I just don't think the outdoors are a big part of their lives. I'm probably around more Muslims than Christians when I'm not working from home. They do like sports, but none that I know are big on the outdoors. Soccer, cricket (if they're from Pakistan), and I know one that is a Formula 1 and sports car fan. Turkey is a big yachting destination in the eastern Med and of course, horses are big in Arabia, but there's other forums for that stuff.
Turks love soccer. The country varies by region and is very conservative and religious. You will get killed if you mess with their women in the southeast part of the country without a formal introduction and follow strict courting rituals which always include an escort. Istanbul is more European. Family is a huge part of the culture. Women are still marginalized in most aspects. Most Turkish men are lazy and only the poor male Turks work hard at physical jobs. Most farm work is done by women. The men smoke and drink tea as often as they can with their friends. Personal hygiene is poor. Ride public transportation and you will understand. The body odor smell is horrible. They wear alot of cologne. The food is great. Dont drink the water or you will get Shigella( a really bad stomach infection), and you wish you were dead. ). I lived there 4 years as an air force officer in the 80s. These are just a few of my most powerful memories. Good people, with a corrupt govt. , and a poor nato partner until they need you.
 
My wife and I are Muslim and I always tell her the only other state I would live in is Colorado. I love the outdoors and everything that is offered with it. God's creation is breathtaking.

I am a practicing Muslim and the belief is that God created the heavens and earth. He says "be it", and it will be. There is no science behind the creation of everyone and everything. No big bang or anything of the sort.

What Matthew6 is referring to is mostly a cultural thing. An unfortunate thing that has occurred is many Middle Eastern countries tailor religion to culture. If the Quran and teaching of the Prophet (pbuh) were followed correctly, everyone would see the woman's position in the religion. Unfortunately as I stated before, culture in my opinion has skewed people's thoughts on Islam.

If anyone has any questions on Islam please do not hesitate to drop me a private message. Would love to give anyone who has questions some insight as opposed to what is being thrown on TV. I don't want the .003% of the so called "Muslims" to define the remainder of us!
 
My wife and I are Muslim and I always tell her the only other state I would live in is Colorado. I love the outdoors and everything that is offered with it. God's creation is breathtaking.

I am a practicing Muslim and the belief is that God created the heavens and earth. He says "be it", and it will be. There is no science behind the creation of everyone and everything. No big bang or anything of the sort.

What Matthew6 is referring to is mostly a cultural thing. An unfortunate thing that has occurred is many Middle Eastern countries tailor religion to culture. If the Quran and teaching of the Prophet (pbuh) were followed correctly, everyone would see the woman's position in the religion. Unfortunately as I stated before, culture in my opinion has skewed people's thoughts on Islam.

If anyone has any questions on Islam please do not hesitate to drop me a private message. Would love to give anyone who has questions some insight as opposed to what is being thrown on TV. I don't want the .003% of the so called "Muslims" to define the remainder of us!
In relation to Colorado I was talking to a friend of my daughter who lives in Utah. He said it was like living on Mars with all of the rocks, etc.
He liked being able to connect with nature within the vast nothingness. I guess each state offers it's own Nirvana.

Were you born in America? In relation to the .003% of the so called "Muslims" do you see any parallels with the .003% of the so called "Christians" either now or in our history? Were Christians ever similar to the .003% of the so called "Muslims?" I'm wondering if Christianity or the people who practice it have advanced faster in relations to peace, love, and forgiveness than today's Muslims.

Maybe Christian nations have advanced faster in relation to humans rights and equal rights except we as religions agree on homosexuality.
Christianity from our apostle Paul forward doesn't see a difference between the Jew and Gentile as we are now in the age of grace. Most Christians have moved beyond law keeping so we don't have as many rituals as Muslims and Jews.
One more thing that would help in us not believing the .003% represents all would be if the 99.097% let us know that they don't represent you.
 

ambush80

Senior Member
My wife and I are Muslim and I always tell her the only other state I would live in is Colorado. I love the outdoors and everything that is offered with it. God's creation is breathtaking.

I am a practicing Muslim and the belief is that God created the heavens and earth. He says "be it", and it will be. There is no science behind the creation of everyone and everything. No big bang or anything of the sort.

What Matthew6 is referring to is mostly a cultural thing. An unfortunate thing that has occurred is many Middle Eastern countries tailor religion to culture. If the Quran and teaching of the Prophet (pbuh) were followed correctly, everyone would see the woman's position in the religion. Unfortunately as I stated before, culture in my opinion has skewed people's thoughts on Islam.

If anyone has any questions on Islam please do not hesitate to drop me a private message. Would love to give anyone who has questions some insight as opposed to what is being thrown on TV. I don't want the .003% of the so called "Muslims" to define the remainder of us!
Rational, moderate Muslims need to be much more vocal. I applaud you. My sister in law is a secular Muslim from Turkey. She lives in Canada where they aren't as anti-Muslim as they are here in the US, particularly the South.

I wish you would try to enlighten some of the people in the Political Forum.
 
Rational, moderate Muslims need to be much more vocal. I applaud you. My sister in law is a secular Muslim from Turkey. She lives in Canada where they aren't as anti-Muslim as they are here in the US, particularly the South.

I wish you would try to enlighten some of the people in the Political Forum.
How many folks do you think he would enlighten? I say none that aren't already so.
 

JB0704

Master Slayer of Ferocious Marxist Beavers
My wife and I are Muslim and I always tell her the only other state I would live in is Colorado. I love the outdoors and everything that is offered with it. God's creation is breathtaking.

I am a practicing Muslim and the belief is that God created the heavens and earth. He says "be it", and it will be. There is no science behind the creation of everyone and everything. No big bang or anything of the sort.

What Matthew6 is referring to is mostly a cultural thing. An unfortunate thing that has occurred is many Middle Eastern countries tailor religion to culture. If the Quran and teaching of the Prophet (pbuh) were followed correctly, everyone would see the woman's position in the religion. Unfortunately as I stated before, culture in my opinion has skewed people's thoughts on Islam.

If anyone has any questions on Islam please do not hesitate to drop me a private message. Would love to give anyone who has questions some insight as opposed to what is being thrown on TV. I don't want the .003% of the so called "Muslims" to define the remainder of us!
Do you ever read along in the AAA forum? IT would be interesting to get another perspective in there from time to time.
 
I rarely go onto the AAA forum. I usually am giving my perspective to people face to face rather than online.

I agree with you on being more vocal. What is unfortunate is that we don't get as much press as those waiving around flags and shooting guns in the air. That's the nature of the beast these days.

Artfuldodger, I was born and raised in Atlanta. Parents migrated over in 1972. In regards to the .003% parallel to Christians or other religions, there has been a time and/or place when it has occurred. Maybe one example can be The KKK? What's your opinion?

One of the most important ideas in Islam is peace, love, and forgiveness. What has gotten in the way here is culture or middle eastern governments. People follow culture more than the purity of the religion and twist it to their benefit. Such a shame.

Would you also be kind enough to enlighten me on your last sentence regarding representations? Thanks!
 

ambush80

Senior Member
I rarely go onto the AAA forum. I usually am giving my perspective to people face to face rather than online.

I agree with you on being more vocal. What is unfortunate is that we don't get as much press as those waiving around flags and shooting guns in the air. That's the nature of the beast these days.

Artfuldodger, I was born and raised in Atlanta. Parents migrated over in 1972. In regards to the .003% parallel to Christians or other religions, there has been a time and/or place when it has occurred. Maybe one example can be The KKK? What's your opinion?

One of the most important ideas in Islam is peace, love, and forgiveness. What has gotten in the way here is culture or middle eastern governments. People follow culture more than the purity of the religion and twist it to their benefit. Such a shame.

Would you also be kind enough to enlighten me on your last sentence regarding representations? Thanks!
Are you familiar with Maajid Nawaz? I think he is a great person and Muslims like him need to do what they can to make their voices heard.
 
One of the most important ideas in Islam is peace, love, and forgiveness. What has gotten in the way here is culture or middle eastern governments. People follow culture more than the purity of the religion and twist it to their benefit. Such a shame.
How do you account for Americans who radicalize and join the jihadis?

What cultural issues "get in the way"?
 
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