SemperFiDawg
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Artfuldodger
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To start with, I believe all Israel will be saved. But in Miguel's defense, many Christians believe as himself.
Take Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
I'm sure we all agree what this "seed" is. Scripture does get a bit muddled as we go back and forth exactly who or what "Israel" is or became. I believe a nation is a nation myself.
Bless you on your path back to health. I hope to see you make that trip to Israel in the near future.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
If we are blessed by the science and medicine of the Jews as in all nations will be blessed by them, then God is the Great Scientist.
Science isn't our enemy as some make it out to be.
It is just the avenue God has done the major abundance of his work and creation. This is the blessings all nations receive from the Jews for discovering it.
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Artfuldodger
Senior Member
He didn't miss the point, he just doesn't agree with it. He isn't alienating people because people are already divided on the "point" of the OP.
Spineyman
Senior Member
Romans 9:6-9
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
Matthew 23:37-39New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus Laments over Jerusalem
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
Romans 2:25-29
Circumcision of No Avail
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
Philippians 3:3
3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
I do believe that the Jewish people will return to the God of their Fathers, and will accept the Son whom the Father sent, but not all Israelite's will be saved but those who are children of the promise. I also believe that the Nation will be restored.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
Jeremiah 31:31–34
“Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband unto them, says the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord’: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Romans 11:24-25
For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
“Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband unto them, says the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord’: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Romans 11:24-25
For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
Gentiles became heirs together with the "Commonwealth" of Israel through adoption not replacement;
Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:12-14
remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:12-14
remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
I look at it this way. God wrote the story therefore Israel was chosen to be partially hardened. This had to happen the way it happened to make God's plan come about.
He did this to allow salvation to the Gentiles by choosing a Remnant of Jews and hardening the others.
"a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in"
Finally Gentiles were no longer strangers to the covenants of promise given to the commonwealth. It was in the story/plan before it happened.
What happens next as revealed by Paul, and after the Gentiles are grafted in to the "commonwealth" of Israel;
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
Still God's plan from the beginning. The remnant chosen and the rest hardened. To allow salvation to the Gentiles through grafting into the tree of Israel. The nourishing root of Israel. The commonwealth that had the promises of the covenant.
You have natural branches and you have wild branches of this tree. I don't see how anyone can read Romans 11 and deny that Israel is a nation and not the Church. God didn't allow Gentiles into the commonwealth to make the "Church" jealous. God didn't harden the "Church." God didn't choose a remnant from the Church.
Remember the mystery?
Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
Perhaps God knowing and choosing Abraham and his lineage to bring in the "Seed" was the reason he will do what he does concerning all of Israel.
Romans 11:27-
27And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs.29For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, 31so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. 32For God has consigned all men to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all.
Part of the mystery of God's original plan revealed by Paul. God had to harden the Jews to have mercy on the Gentiles.
33 O, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable His ways!
Paul knew it would be hard for us to accept the logic of God's plan.
He did this to allow salvation to the Gentiles by choosing a Remnant of Jews and hardening the others.
"a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in"
Finally Gentiles were no longer strangers to the covenants of promise given to the commonwealth. It was in the story/plan before it happened.
What happens next as revealed by Paul, and after the Gentiles are grafted in to the "commonwealth" of Israel;
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
Still God's plan from the beginning. The remnant chosen and the rest hardened. To allow salvation to the Gentiles through grafting into the tree of Israel. The nourishing root of Israel. The commonwealth that had the promises of the covenant.
You have natural branches and you have wild branches of this tree. I don't see how anyone can read Romans 11 and deny that Israel is a nation and not the Church. God didn't allow Gentiles into the commonwealth to make the "Church" jealous. God didn't harden the "Church." God didn't choose a remnant from the Church.
Remember the mystery?
Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
Perhaps God knowing and choosing Abraham and his lineage to bring in the "Seed" was the reason he will do what he does concerning all of Israel.
Romans 11:27-
27And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs.29For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, 31so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. 32For God has consigned all men to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all.
Part of the mystery of God's original plan revealed by Paul. God had to harden the Jews to have mercy on the Gentiles.
33 O, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable His ways!
Paul knew it would be hard for us to accept the logic of God's plan.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
I've read Romans 9 as well. It is a bit confusing compared to Romans 11. Perhaps the children of the promise means something more than has been revealed.
Could these children be all of Israel plus grafted in Gentiles? Will all nations eventually worship God as per Psalm 86:9 and Psalm 22:27?
I don't believe the children of the promise in Romans 9 has as much to do with Gentiles as much as it does who the descendants of Abraham was.
Israel was the nation that had the covenants;
Romans 9:4
the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory and the covenants; theirs the giving of the Law, the temple worship, and the promises.
It does say not all of Israel is Israel but continues with Abraham. It's not the children of flesh. We could stop right there and assume it's the children of the promise which would have to be the pre-chosen. Romans 9 really gets into election after this.
Backing up a bit;
"For the Scriptures say, "Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted," though Abraham had other children, too."
Rather, "In Isaac your offspring will be named."
This still shows lineage regardless.If descendants will be named. Confusion as to if it's descendant or descendants, seed or seeds.
"and not all of Abraham's descendants are his true descendants. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that descendants will be named for you."
(this shows plural)
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
(this may be singular as in a singular Seed/Savior)
Spineyman
Senior Member
The Church and Israel in the Old Testament
by Iain Duguid
In the beginning, God created Adam and Eve to be a worshipping community: He would be their God and they would be His people. The fall, however, shattered their fellowship with one another as well as with God, a division that was deepened even further in the next generation when Cain murdered his brother. The trajectory away from God begun by Cain’s line ended with a counterfeit worshipping community in Babel (Gen. 11). At the same time, a line of true worshippers ran through Seth to Abram—Abraham—whom God promised to make a great nation and through whom He promised to bless all nations of the earth (Gen. 12:1–3).
God promised Abraham’s grandson Jacob that He would make his twelve sons into a harmonious worshipping “community of nations” (Gen. 28:3) that would be known by his new name, “Israel.” Significantly, the Hebrew word used here for “community” is qāhāl, which the Greek translation of the Old Testament often renders as ekklēsia, “church.” This goal of a worshipping community was reached after the exodus from Egypt when the people came to Mount Sinai. There God declared the Israelites to be His treasured possession, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Ex. 19:5–6). The Lord promised to dwell among them as their God (Ex. 29:45). But the people had no sooner committed themselves to this covenant relationship with the Lord than they abandoned Him. While Moses was at the top of the mountain receiving instruction from the Lord, the people were at the bottom fashioning false gods. It was clear from the outset that the “holy nation” had no power to live up to its calling.
The prophets unfold for us the rest of Israel’s history: in spite of God’s faithfulness to them, they were corrupt and rebellious children (Isa. 1:2) and an adulterous wife (Hos. 1–3). This heritage of unfaithfulness belonged equally to the northern and southern kingdoms: Israel and Judah were two twisted sisters from the same family (Ezek. 16; 23) who would each face the punishment of destruction and exile (Ezek. 4:4–6). The Lord could not dwell in the midst of such an unholy people. He abandoned His chosen dwelling place in Jerusalem, leaving His people at the mercy of their Babylonian enemies (Ezek. 8–11).
Yet the destruction of Israel in the exile could not be the end of the story. Because the Lord had attached His name to Israel, the nation would have to be restored lest His holy name be profaned among the nations (Ezek. 20:14). The promises made at Mount Sinai had to be fulfilled (Jer. 33:20–21), so the two nations of Israel and Judah would be restored by the Lord into a single, reunited body made up of all of the clans of Israel (Jer. 31:1) under a single king (Ezek. 37:16–22). The most important promise was the spiritual transformation of Israel into a new people whose unresponsive hearts would be changed into new hearts under a new covenant (Jer. 31:31–33) by an outpouring of God’s Spirit (Ezek. 36:22–28). The new Israel would become the Lord’s servant, a light for the Gentiles, bringing healing to all nations (Isa. 42:6, 10). However, the new Israel depicted in Isaiah 40–48 continued to be a struggling and weak people who needed constant exhortation to pursue obedience as well as encouragement to trust in God’s faithful love for them. To fulfill God’s purposes, another, better Israel would be required, a servant who would take Israel’s place, doing what Israel was unable to do, fulfilling her calling to bring light to the nations (Isa. 49:6).
This servant “Israel” took flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. From the moment of His birth, He reenacted Israel’s history, going down to Egypt so that He could be the true son whom God called out of Egypt (Matt. 2:15, quoting Hos. 11:1). Just as Israel passed through the Red Sea, Jesus passed through the waters of baptism (Matt. 3) before being led out into the wilderness, where He successfully faced the same temptations that Israel had failed to endure (Matt. 4). At the beginning of His ministry, Jesus read aloud Isaiah 61:1–2, declaring that the Scripture had been fulfilled in His hearers’ presence (Luke 4:18–19): He was Himself the promised Servant upon whom God’s Spirit rested. As the new Israel, Jesus perfectly fulfilled the demands of the law. The new covenant that Jeremiah anticipated was established in His blood (Luke 22:20). Jesus fulfilled God’s original design for human holiness, thereby personally embodying the new Israel for which the prophets looked.
Since Jesus Christ is Himself the new Israel, all those united to Him by faith are also incorporated into the Israel of God (Gal. 6:16). He is the true vine, the classic Old Testament image for Israel, and we are His branches (John 15). Because Christ is the living cornerstone of God’s house, those who are joined to Him become living stones in that house (1 Peter 2:4–5) and can be described by the same terminology that described Israel in the Old Testament: in Christ, we are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation” (1 Peter 2:9–10).
Being part of this new covenant Israel is, thus, not a matter of physical descent from Abraham, but rather sharing Abraham’s repentance and faith (Luke 3:8). The new people of God includes Jews and Gentiles together (Gal 3:28), as both are grafted into the new olive tree, Christ/ Israel (Rom. 11:17–24). That does not mean that God has forgotten His promises to those physically descended from Abraham (Rom. 11:1). Certainly not. But not everyone who is descended physically from Israel is part of the new Israel (Rom. 9:6). The restoration of Israel promised in the prophets is accomplished as the gospel is preached to Jerusalem and Judea (the southern kingdom), Samaria (the northern kingdom), and to the ends of the earth, thereby finally bringing God’s light to the Gentiles (Acts 1:8).
In the book of Revelation, John heard God’s people described as a group of 144,000 made up of the twelve tribes of Israel (Rev. 7:4–8). Yet when he looked again, he discovered that the same group was an innumerable crowd from every tribe and nation (Rev. 7:9–12). The Lord’s bride, the image used in the Old Testament for Israel, is the church and will one day be defiled by her sin no longer but beautifully adorned for her husband (Rev. 21:2). In that day, God’s original purpose and plan for Israel—to have a united, holy people belonging to Himself—will finally be fulfilled in the marriage of Christ and His church.
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/the-church-and-israel-in-the-old-testament/
by Iain Duguid
In the beginning, God created Adam and Eve to be a worshipping community: He would be their God and they would be His people. The fall, however, shattered their fellowship with one another as well as with God, a division that was deepened even further in the next generation when Cain murdered his brother. The trajectory away from God begun by Cain’s line ended with a counterfeit worshipping community in Babel (Gen. 11). At the same time, a line of true worshippers ran through Seth to Abram—Abraham—whom God promised to make a great nation and through whom He promised to bless all nations of the earth (Gen. 12:1–3).
God promised Abraham’s grandson Jacob that He would make his twelve sons into a harmonious worshipping “community of nations” (Gen. 28:3) that would be known by his new name, “Israel.” Significantly, the Hebrew word used here for “community” is qāhāl, which the Greek translation of the Old Testament often renders as ekklēsia, “church.” This goal of a worshipping community was reached after the exodus from Egypt when the people came to Mount Sinai. There God declared the Israelites to be His treasured possession, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Ex. 19:5–6). The Lord promised to dwell among them as their God (Ex. 29:45). But the people had no sooner committed themselves to this covenant relationship with the Lord than they abandoned Him. While Moses was at the top of the mountain receiving instruction from the Lord, the people were at the bottom fashioning false gods. It was clear from the outset that the “holy nation” had no power to live up to its calling.
The prophets unfold for us the rest of Israel’s history: in spite of God’s faithfulness to them, they were corrupt and rebellious children (Isa. 1:2) and an adulterous wife (Hos. 1–3). This heritage of unfaithfulness belonged equally to the northern and southern kingdoms: Israel and Judah were two twisted sisters from the same family (Ezek. 16; 23) who would each face the punishment of destruction and exile (Ezek. 4:4–6). The Lord could not dwell in the midst of such an unholy people. He abandoned His chosen dwelling place in Jerusalem, leaving His people at the mercy of their Babylonian enemies (Ezek. 8–11).
Yet the destruction of Israel in the exile could not be the end of the story. Because the Lord had attached His name to Israel, the nation would have to be restored lest His holy name be profaned among the nations (Ezek. 20:14). The promises made at Mount Sinai had to be fulfilled (Jer. 33:20–21), so the two nations of Israel and Judah would be restored by the Lord into a single, reunited body made up of all of the clans of Israel (Jer. 31:1) under a single king (Ezek. 37:16–22). The most important promise was the spiritual transformation of Israel into a new people whose unresponsive hearts would be changed into new hearts under a new covenant (Jer. 31:31–33) by an outpouring of God’s Spirit (Ezek. 36:22–28). The new Israel would become the Lord’s servant, a light for the Gentiles, bringing healing to all nations (Isa. 42:6, 10). However, the new Israel depicted in Isaiah 40–48 continued to be a struggling and weak people who needed constant exhortation to pursue obedience as well as encouragement to trust in God’s faithful love for them. To fulfill God’s purposes, another, better Israel would be required, a servant who would take Israel’s place, doing what Israel was unable to do, fulfilling her calling to bring light to the nations (Isa. 49:6).
This servant “Israel” took flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. From the moment of His birth, He reenacted Israel’s history, going down to Egypt so that He could be the true son whom God called out of Egypt (Matt. 2:15, quoting Hos. 11:1). Just as Israel passed through the Red Sea, Jesus passed through the waters of baptism (Matt. 3) before being led out into the wilderness, where He successfully faced the same temptations that Israel had failed to endure (Matt. 4). At the beginning of His ministry, Jesus read aloud Isaiah 61:1–2, declaring that the Scripture had been fulfilled in His hearers’ presence (Luke 4:18–19): He was Himself the promised Servant upon whom God’s Spirit rested. As the new Israel, Jesus perfectly fulfilled the demands of the law. The new covenant that Jeremiah anticipated was established in His blood (Luke 22:20). Jesus fulfilled God’s original design for human holiness, thereby personally embodying the new Israel for which the prophets looked.
Since Jesus Christ is Himself the new Israel, all those united to Him by faith are also incorporated into the Israel of God (Gal. 6:16). He is the true vine, the classic Old Testament image for Israel, and we are His branches (John 15). Because Christ is the living cornerstone of God’s house, those who are joined to Him become living stones in that house (1 Peter 2:4–5) and can be described by the same terminology that described Israel in the Old Testament: in Christ, we are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation” (1 Peter 2:9–10).
Being part of this new covenant Israel is, thus, not a matter of physical descent from Abraham, but rather sharing Abraham’s repentance and faith (Luke 3:8). The new people of God includes Jews and Gentiles together (Gal 3:28), as both are grafted into the new olive tree, Christ/ Israel (Rom. 11:17–24). That does not mean that God has forgotten His promises to those physically descended from Abraham (Rom. 11:1). Certainly not. But not everyone who is descended physically from Israel is part of the new Israel (Rom. 9:6). The restoration of Israel promised in the prophets is accomplished as the gospel is preached to Jerusalem and Judea (the southern kingdom), Samaria (the northern kingdom), and to the ends of the earth, thereby finally bringing God’s light to the Gentiles (Acts 1:8).
In the book of Revelation, John heard God’s people described as a group of 144,000 made up of the twelve tribes of Israel (Rev. 7:4–8). Yet when he looked again, he discovered that the same group was an innumerable crowd from every tribe and nation (Rev. 7:9–12). The Lord’s bride, the image used in the Old Testament for Israel, is the church and will one day be defiled by her sin no longer but beautifully adorned for her husband (Rev. 21:2). In that day, God’s original purpose and plan for Israel—to have a united, holy people belonging to Himself—will finally be fulfilled in the marriage of Christ and His church.
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/the-church-and-israel-in-the-old-testament/
SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
All these trolling lines out and no bites in a while? Here, try one of these.
Attachments
Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
At least someone gets it.
In retrospect of the Obama years bringing to light the massive corruption of the power elites in government there was a struggle to maintain a conservative presence in the office of the POTUS. The URWCC's wouldn't dare support a "Mormon" because he wasn't a "real Christian", they wouldn't dare support a man that wouldn't come out and declare abortion immoral and illegal.
I vehemently argued against this line of applying moral self righteousness to politics and in the end it allowed Obama to be elected and nearly cost us our Sovereignty as a Nation. Now the very same people, who don't know the actual man Trump is in person, are the same URWCC's that caused the issues 11 years ago. Creating a divide in Congress, instead of supporting a man that want's to return this Country to a sustainable bearing.
You don't have to like the candidate, but you do have to have the Faith to know that God will use the candidate best suited to our Constitutional foundings to right this ship. To fail to do so is to bring about question of your self proclaimed Faith in God to begin with.
Throwing the political baby out with the Christian bath water achieves nothing and is actually more destructive to us in the end.
SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
Yes, but unfortunately it’s neither you, nor AutoTroll.
As for the rest of your post; off point, off topic, and wrong forum. Good Grief and Good Day.
Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
That's what I love about URWCC's. It's their way or the highway. At least consistency isn't one of your shortcomings.
Dig a little beneath the surface of my statements and apply them to the history of Israel and perhaps you might find some parallels as to where we are headed.
Then again, probably not in your case, but at the very least ask yourself; What good did the Pharisees do for their culture and belief system in the long run.
SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
MC. You totally missed the point of the OP.......and you still haven’t grasped it. HINT: It has absolutely no political connotations, nor do I care to discuss politics with you, or anything else for that matter.
Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
Then stop responding to my posts, duhhh.
At least those in your disdain are intelligent enough to grasp what I am saying.
Clue #1 -
http://cjonline.com/blog/lucinda/2015-09-11/sadducees-and-pharisees-–-who-are-they-today
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If you drug one of those through the water around here, the fish would run out on the bank and climb trees.
SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
If you drug one of those through the water around here, the fish would run out on the bank and climb trees.
Lot of posters here have the same effect on any thread with intelligent conversation.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
I thought it was a very interesting and intelligent topic and conversation. I thought that since it was under the "other faiths" forum, the OP was looking for various beliefs instead of only the ones that agree with his.
I personally welcome all beliefs on threads that I start and/or take part in. Hey, I got it to 59! It was about to fizzle out.
I personally welcome all beliefs on threads that I start and/or take part in. Hey, I got it to 59! It was about to fizzle out.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
I'll admit I did ramble a bit on a couple of responses. One point I was looking at is the various beliefs concerning the Abrahamic Covenant as it concerns; He said that “in you all the nations will be blessed.”
Trolling for input? Sure.
Here is what Paul thought it was;
Galatians 3:8
What's more, the Scriptures looked forward to this time when God would declare the Gentiles to be righteous because of their faith. God proclaimed this good news to Abraham long ago when he said, "All nations will be blessed through you."
Trolling for input? Sure.
Here is what Paul thought it was;
Galatians 3:8
What's more, the Scriptures looked forward to this time when God would declare the Gentiles to be righteous because of their faith. God proclaimed this good news to Abraham long ago when he said, "All nations will be blessed through you."
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