LEO Canines, my partners through the K-9years

SC Hunter

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these folks buying Mals and Dutchies, for the most, have no idea of how much time and patience it takes to train out one of these dogs.
I'd love one but I know I don't have the time to dedicate to them. Patience isn't a problem but time is. Their wonderful dogs for people that know how to work them.
 

4HAND

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I've never had a K9.
Well trained ones are amazing.
 

snookdoctor

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Patience, planning, practice and persistence (repetition). Other than that, training a dog is easy. Even a caveman could do it.
It just takes TIME!
 

WOODIE13

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Patience, planning, practice and persistence (repetition). Other than that, training a dog is easy. Even a caveman could do it.
It just takes TIME!
We had some great retriever trainers come to a kennel where I was doing my contractor work in Afghanistan. They found out those pointy eared dogs were a lot more apt to bite vs the retrievers, in one week all of them took trips to the ER.

My K9 instructor days we had students on leashed buckets teaching proper commands and techniques prior to ever touching a dog.
DoD even saw fit to give us a couple "green" dogs to certify patrol/narc detection dogs on students in each class, that was an adventure
 

SC Hunter

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We had some great retriever trainers come to a kennel where I was doing my contractor work in Afghanistan. They found out those pointy eared dogs were a lot more apt to bite vs the retrievers, in one week all of them took trips to the ER.

My K9 instructor days we had students on leashed buckets teaching proper commands and techniques prior to ever touching a dog.
DoD even saw fit to give us a couple "green" dogs to certify patrol/narc detection dogs on students in each class, that was an adventure
Those pointy eared dogs will nibble and not feel bad about it. Haha I caught a 60 pound Dutch Shepard one day that was a Ranger Batt dog and thought he was going to crush the sleeve. The PA from Penny Aid Station (I wish I could remember his name, some kind of Hispanic name) made the comment "that dog gets much bigger I'll be taking care of broken arms." It's truly a spectacular sight to watch those working dogs really work.
 

snookdoctor

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We had a few handlers that wore casts on their forearms after getting sleeves crushed. When your radius and ulna are stacked, they can be cracked. Don't take that much pressure.
 

WOODIE13

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We had a few handlers that wore casts on their forearms after getting sleeves crushed. When your radius and ulna are stacked, they can be cracked. Don't take that much pressure.
Had a dog at Lackland named Leon, they said he was a mal, but probably weighed 110 pounds. He was a narcotic detection training aid dog and had his own separate kennel and he came from border patrol. Leon didn't have hardly a tooth in his head and when you fed him, you had to watch and pull his stainless steel pan or he would crush it flat, the manager had a stack of the "With love, Leon" was written on all of them.

We were a day from graduation and decided to give the detection dogs a bite for one last time. Leon crushed the hard sleeve, the decoy couldn't slip it, handler couldn't get him to out. Finally I used my ink pen, slipped it in his mouth and pressed down on his tongue making him gag and he released it
 

WOODIE13

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Those pointy eared dogs will nibble and not feel bad about it. Haha I caught a 60 pound Dutch Shepard one day that was a Ranger Batt dog and thought he was going to crush the sleeve. The PA from Penny Aid Station (I wish I could remember his name, some kind of Hispanic name) made the comment "that dog gets much bigger I'll be taking care of broken arms." It's truly a spectacular sight to watch those working dogs really work.
I was doing a kids demo at Ft Belvoir and had one get me though a bite suit. Dog's name was Arrow and it fit him to a T, would launch about 10 ft out on you.
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snookdoctor

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I was doing a kids demo at Ft Belvoir and had one get me though a bite suit. Dog's name was Arrow and it fit him to a T, would launch about 10 ft out on you.
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Must have been a Malagator. They launch and hit you on their way down like a sack of concrete. Most shepherds launch up on you from close quarters.
 

WOODIE13

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Must have been a Malagator. They launch and hit you on their way down like a sack of concrete. Most shepherds launch up on you from close quarters.
It was, about 75 pounds.

We had one at Bragg, Duko, around 50 pounds, he would hook out wide and hit you from the side, very few were able to stay on their feet. He was one of them at Abu Grahib.
 

dtala

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I had a 18month old male Malinois, weighed 105. He would crush a sleeve, had a **** of a hold.
I saw a video of a 100# Mal owned by a dog importer in Miami. Dang dog on a bite would swoop in real low till he was at your feet then come straight up into your face. Owner had a standing offer that anyone who could stay on their feet catching him could take him home. He still owned it last I heard.
 

WOODIE13

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I had a 18month old male Malinois, weighed 105. He would crush a sleeve, had a **** of a hold.
I saw a video of a 100# Mal owned by a dog importer in Miami. Dang dog on a bite would swoop in real low till he was at your feet then come straight up into your face. Owner had a standing offer that anyone who could stay on their feet catching him could take him home. He still owned it last I heard.
I got to see quite a few beast in my 15 years doing it, little dogs always seemed to have something to prove.

We had a female mal named Renka at Belvoir around 100 pounds. Great demo dog, she would crush the decoy, handler would out her and tell her go make friends, then she'd be over with the kids licking them all the while her stub tail going crazy.

Randy at Bragg was around 75 pounds, he hit the back shoulder and kick his body off to the side, spin you like a top. My son got in the suit at a demo when he was 14, told him to run and don't stop, got a pick with his feet off the ground with the dog on him. Then had a Wisconsin Unlimited wrestler, probably pushing above 275, he got hammered, wanted to do it again, same thing.

Mals and dutchies are amazing to day the least
 

turkeykirk

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I’ve watched to many Seal Team / Special Forces movies. I’ve always wondered how you train a dog to jump out of a plane attached to its handler.
 

WOODIE13

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I’ve watched to many Seal Team / Special Forces movies. I’ve always wondered how you train a dog to jump out of a plane attached to its handler.
Successive approximation.

Never jumped out of a plane, but did do the hoist training with PJs for the dogs. Started out with boarding a Blackhawk just sitting, then with the prop going to get the used to the wash, finally the hoist at 150 ft.

Here's a pic taken by Bagram USAF PAO, I'm above waiting to secure the dog.Screenshot_20220707-091939_Chrome.jpg
 
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WOODIE13

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Me and the wife watching TV this morning on the couch, Mongo decided there's enough room for him as well. Personal space? He never heard of it20241010_091844.jpg
 

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