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I found what looked like rabbit hair/kill on two separate food plots in March while turkey hunting. I know I had a rabbit on cam there last fall too. Figured yotes.
It may have been a coyote but a lot of predators enjoy a rabbit dinner hawks owls bobcats any of them will kill one given the chance. Coyotes seem to always get the blame for anything killed in the woods. Just my two cents good luck to you and yours..
 
My statement was small game hunter numbers have nothing to do with the DNR still stands. I've never heard of any game agencies managing for raccoon, opossum, squirrel, or fox, so I will assume you are referring to quail and rabbit, both of which obviously thrive in early succession habitat. There are several WMAs managed for quail, and nearly 50 quota quail hunts. There is at least one rabbit quota hunt that I know of. You can obviously use a computer, so you can look them up if you are interested. If you combine all of the applicants for all of the quail and rabbit hunts combined, it wouldn't total a 10th of the applicants for deer hunting. However, you can't blame that strictly opportunities presented by the DNR, because there are nearly as many alligator applications as there are deer, with very fewer opportunities available comparitivly. There are also way more applicants for fewer waterfowl opportunities, so the notion that the DNR opportunities provided correlates to the hunter numbers is again, hogwash.

They are cutting trees all over the state on public land. Doesn't do much for quail in areas there aren't many quail, but it does provide opportunities for rabbits. I get that small game hunters want more opportunities for small game hunting, but like everything else in life, if you are waiting on the government to provide them for you, you will be disappointed.

Things are controlled by supply and demand. There is way more demand for deer, waterfowl, and turkey than there is for rabbit and quail. It would make no sense for the DNR to pour a bunch of time and money into specifically managing habitat for small game (or even waterfowl) in "hopes' of bringing on more small game and waterfowl hunters. In large part because the DNR can't create enough "public land" habitat to really make a difference in either case. The DNR doesn't have the money and the state overall doesn't have the hunter numbers to justify it.
"My statement was small game hunter numbers have nothing to do with the DNR still stands."

Really? The absolute worst thing DNR could have done and has done to small game hunting in recent years is expand the deer season clear through January 12th of each year.

This single action has put the nail in the coffin for small game hunters who run dogs for either rabbits or coons.

i know this first hand as I run beagles. I cannot tell you how many people I know that are letting their packs thin out or getting out of it all together and say that its hard to justify keeping dogs to only be able to run them for 6 weeks.

This has impacted private property the most. Deer hunters dont want you running dogs on the club during deer season. Most public land stinks for rabbit hunting.

"Things are controlled by supply and demand. There is way more demand for deer, waterfowl, and turkey than there is for rabbit and quail." You fail to mention the auto insurance lobby......thats who controls our deer season. Who are you kidding?

God knows what goes on with our state reps and the insurance industry but I assure you ...it aint clean and DNR isnt either.
 
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So what is it that you think the DNR can do that would increase the number of small game hunters? I love to waterfowl hunt, but I have no expectation that the DNR should, or really can for that matter, do anything to substantially or dramatically increase waterfowl hunter numbers or waterfowl hunting opportunities. People act the same way with waterfowl. You buy a state and federal stamp and donate $25 to DU, and all of a sudden there are supposed to be countless waterfowl opportunities available. It doesn't work like that.
They need to stop catering to the auto insurance industry and knock off the 4 1/2 month long deer season.
 
So what is it that you think the DNR can do that would increase the number of small game hunters? I love to waterfowl hunt, but I have no expectation that the DNR should, or really can for that matter, do anything to substantially or dramatically increase waterfowl hunter numbers or waterfowl hunting opportunities. People act the same way with waterfowl. You buy a state and federal stamp and donate $25 to DU, and all of a sudden there are supposed to be countless waterfowl opportunities available. It doesn't work like that.
Probably the opposite of what they are doing now, which is nothing. North Georgia is the buthole of the state when it comes to hunting and not all because of habitat and predators. It says in the DNR deer management plan that state law charges the DNR with management and conservation of Georgia’s wildlife resources for present and future generations. I don’t have any expectations that they will do anything different than they are doing now. Don’t want countless opportunities just opportunities, which is few and far between here, and gets worse every year. But maybe I have unrealistic expectations of seeing game after buying a license and wasting my time going hunting and not seeing anything. Guess I remember how it was when it was called the Game and Fish Department and we had game. You remember them don’t you,they were the ones that stocked deer in Georgia for 50 years. Wonder what they would think of our hunting regulations that we have now.
 

Ruger#3

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I lived in states that had Game and Fish Commissions not directed or funded by the legislature. Commissioners isolated from lobbyist, dedicated tax revenue streams to facilitate real management. WMAs were accessible year round to train dogs of all types when there wasn’t conflicting seasons. Gates weren’t slammed in your face closing day of deer season. Most WMAs were staffed with an on-site manager or nearby that was intiment with the grounds. The G & F developed habit that was targeted to small game. The cooperative efforts allowed dog clubs and small game hunters to assist with habitat development, matching funds project.

I’ve walked beagle packs for miles on some WMAs here without a hint of a rabbit trail. Predator control plus habitat just wouldn’t support them.

When you’ve see what could done its pretty discouraging
 
"My statement was small game hunter numbers have nothing to do with the DNR still stands."

Really? The absolute worst thing DNR could have done and has done to small game hunting in recent years is expand the deer season clear through January 12th of each year.

This single action has put the nail in the coffin for small game hunters who run dogs for either rabbits or coons.

i know this first hand as I run beagles. I cannot tell you how many people I know that are letting their packs thin out or getting out of it all together and say that its hard to justify keeping dogs to only be able to run them for 6 weeks.

This has impacted private property the most. Deer hunters dont want you running dogs on the club during deer season. Most public land stinks for rabbit hunting.

"Things are controlled by supply and demand
. There is way more demand for deer, waterfowl, and turkey than there is for rabbit and quail." You fail to mention the auto insurance lobby......thats who controls our deer season. Who are you kidding?

God knows what goes on with our state reps and the insurance industry but I assure you ...it aint clean and DNR isnt either.

Of course it is supply and demand, and I said that in post you quoted. There are far fewer people who give a rip about small game hunting than there are deer, waterfowl, or alligator. However, that has nothing to do with the DNR. There are fewer quota opportunities for alligator and waterfowl than quail, but there are ten times or more people appling for alligator and ducks than quail or rabbit. If demand was controlled by the opportunities provide by the DNR, then alligator would have the lowest number of quota applicants What is it that you expect them to do that they aren't doing?

Why would people get dogs for rabbit, coon, quail, or anything else if they have no where to hunt them, and then fuss and moan because the government didn't provide top notch hunting opportunities for them. If you want a place to rabbit hunt, get a group of guys together and lease you own land to hunt. Quit worrying about deer hunters. That is what most deer hunters in the state do, so get a group of guys together and lease or buy land just for small game hunting. Then the deer season is irrelevant. There are plenty of small game opportunities in Georgia on public land for people who are willing to travel and put in the work. Then there are people who just want to fuss and complain.
 
I lived in states that had Game and Fish Commissions not directed or funded by the legislature. Commissioners isolated from lobbyist, dedicated tax revenue streams to facilitate real management. WMAs were accessible year round to train dogs of all types when there wasn’t conflicting seasons. Gates weren’t slammed in your face closing day of deer season. Most WMAs were staffed with an on-site manager or nearby that was intiment with the grounds. The G & F developed habit that was targeted to small game. The cooperative efforts allowed dog clubs and small game hunters to assist with habitat development, matching funds project.

I’ve walked beagle packs for miles on some WMAs here without a hint of a rabbit trail. Predator control plus habitat just wouldn’t support them.

When you’ve see what could done its pretty discouraging
Not sure how the Game and Fish was funded years ago but at one time WMA’s had managers on site and took care of them and surrounding areas, planted food plots, and took care of the roads. I knew or was kin to some of them and trust me they weren’t exactly fireballs, but food plots were planted,roads were good and there was game. Remember back in the late 70s we were standing around in a store and someone asked the Game Warden if they thought there would ever be doe days on Warwoman and he said that there would never be doe days on Warwoman. I was told that only the name changed when it went from the Game and Fish to the DNR but more than that changed as then they started closing WMAs, adding doe tags and days,intensional herd reduction,opened season through December and now to January 15th,baiting, and you kill deer with everything but rocks. Discouraging doesn’t quite say it for me.
 

Ruger#3

RAMBLIN MOD
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Not sure how the Game and Fish was funded years ago but at one time WMA’s had managers on site and took care of them and surrounding areas, planted food plots, and took care of the roads. I knew or was kin to some of them and trust me they weren’t exactly fireballs, but food plots were planted,roads were good and there was game. Remember back in the late 70s we were standing around in a store and someone asked the Game Warden if they thought there would ever be doe days on Warwoman and he said that there would never be doe days on Warwoman. I was told that only the name changed when it went from the Game and Fish to the DNR but more than that changed as then they started closing WMAs, adding doe tags and days,intensional herd reduction,opened season through December and now to January 15th,baiting, and you kill deer with everything but rocks. Discouraging doesn’t quite say it for me.
The state I moved from has 1/8 of 1% of the sales tax directed by law to the G&F. Inside the G&F The funds are divided, 45% wildlife, 45% parks, the remainder for historic sites and cleanup funding.
 
Interesting thread. I have seen a ton more rabbits this year than last and quite a few more wild quail. I can tell you I have seen quite a bit of small game on my limited experiences on the WMAS in Georgia. Most of it I was walking with bow in hand hog hunting or waterfowl hunting late season. I know I see quite many rabbits in the headlights going in on my morning duck hunts on public land, quite many squirrels, and on one particular WMA, lots of woodcock. I guess it depends where you go. I am originally from VA and it does seem there is way more small game there. The game here just seems way more cautious to me probably due to way higher predator numbers than I have ever seen in my lifetime. I'm 45 years old and have hunted about 9 different states.
 
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