Darkhorse
Senior Member
When I first got my M&Pc in 40 S&W I shot a couple of boxes of full power self defense loads. The pistol bucked and twisted in my hands and I didn't like it one bit. But I finally found a reduced load of Unique and 180 grain plated Rayonier HP's that shot much better and hit dead on the bull. A couple of thousand rounds later I still like it.
I like the 9mm for shooting paper. But when shooting at something that shoots back I want my .40 S&W. This is just my opinion but the bullet has greater diameter, is heavier, and about the same velocity. Physics don't lie. Now add a proven, tested bullet that penetrates deep with good expansion and I'm confident.
What brought this on?
The other day I was shooting my 40 caliber flintlock. I built this rifle at least 15 years ago to hunt turkeys with. It has a Rice barrel, a large Siler lock lefthand, davis set triggers...the best components I could buy at the time. It shoots better than the shooter most days and hits hard. I've killed several Gobblers with it and most took a dirt nap right there.
So I was shooting my turkey load 60 grains of 3fg, .018 pillow ticking patch, and .395 round ball. I have a 4" gong rated for any rifle or pistol and I've shot it with a number of calibers over the years and none made so much as a dent in it. I took the shot offhand at about 40 yards and the gong just dissappeared in the smoke, it had wrapped the chains over the frame.
But what got my attention was the POI. There was a definite crater easily felt with a fingertip. Around it is a ring of displaced steel. You can look at the target and see there are no old hits showing penetration of any kind.
Kinda hard for me to believe and I've been shooting these old guns nearly 40 years.
And it's 2:46 AM, I guess I'm a little bored.
I like the 9mm for shooting paper. But when shooting at something that shoots back I want my .40 S&W. This is just my opinion but the bullet has greater diameter, is heavier, and about the same velocity. Physics don't lie. Now add a proven, tested bullet that penetrates deep with good expansion and I'm confident.
What brought this on?
The other day I was shooting my 40 caliber flintlock. I built this rifle at least 15 years ago to hunt turkeys with. It has a Rice barrel, a large Siler lock lefthand, davis set triggers...the best components I could buy at the time. It shoots better than the shooter most days and hits hard. I've killed several Gobblers with it and most took a dirt nap right there.
So I was shooting my turkey load 60 grains of 3fg, .018 pillow ticking patch, and .395 round ball. I have a 4" gong rated for any rifle or pistol and I've shot it with a number of calibers over the years and none made so much as a dent in it. I took the shot offhand at about 40 yards and the gong just dissappeared in the smoke, it had wrapped the chains over the frame.
But what got my attention was the POI. There was a definite crater easily felt with a fingertip. Around it is a ring of displaced steel. You can look at the target and see there are no old hits showing penetration of any kind.
Kinda hard for me to believe and I've been shooting these old guns nearly 40 years.
And it's 2:46 AM, I guess I'm a little bored.