New Testament Church (Matt.16:18)

Israel

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It is generally held by some that the church is called a woman, a virgin, a lady, and a bride, and feminine pronouns are always used in referring to the church, but just the opposite is taught in Scripture. In no Scripture is the church referred to by a feminine pronoun and as a virgin or woman, married or unmarried. Why should the church be a woman when it is the body of Christ ? Was Christ a woman or a man ? If He is a man, then why should not the church be call a " man " instead of a woman ? This would be the only natural and scriptural analogy.

The members of the body of Christ are called " babes in Christ " (1Cor. 3:1-3). All saved men are thus in the initial stage of the Christian experience, until they learn to discern between both good and evil and live according to that knowledge (Heb. 5:11-14; 1 Pet. 2:2). They are called " the branches " ( John. 15:1-10). All men in Christ are branches in Him who is the true vine and the root and fatness of the olive tree ( Rom. 11:13-25). They are called " my friends " because of the close relationship of Christ and His " branches " ( John 15:15). As " branches " in the vine they are called " members of Christ " ( 1 Cor. 6:15; Eph. 5:30). They are also called " the ambassadors of Christ " and His " witnesses " ( Acts 1:8). They are also spoken of as " the epistle of Christ " ( 2 Cor. 3:1-5).
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It is generally held by some that the church is called a woman, a virgin, a lady, and a bride, and feminine pronouns are always used in referring to the church, but just the opposite is taught in Scripture. In no Scripture is the church referred to by a feminine pronoun and as a virgin or woman, married or unmarried.
 
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THE BODY OF CHRIST, THE CHURCH, AS THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD. "The New Testament speaks of the church as " the household of God " ( Eph. 2:19), " the household of faith " ( Gal. 6:10 ), children of God " ( Matt. 5:9 )," the children of the kingdom " ( Matt. 13:38), " first fruits of his creatures " ( James 1:18 ), " sons of God " and part of " the whole family " of God ( Rom. 8:14; 1 John 3:1; Eph. 3:15 ), " the elect of God " ( Rom. 8:33; Titus 1:1 ), " the called of God " ( Rom. 8:28; 1 Cor. 1:9, 24-26; Eph. 4:1-4; Col. 3:15 ), " a chosen generation " ( 1 Pet. 2:9 ), " the flock of God " ( 1 Pet. 5:2, 3 ), " the flock " ( Matt. 26:31; Luke 12:32; Acts 20:28, 29 ), " one fold " ( John 10:16 ), " the sheep " ( Matt. 26:31; John 10:1-18, 26, 27; Heb. 13:20; 1 Pet. 2:25 ), and " my lambs " ( John 21:15 ).
 
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As God's people the members of the body of Christ are called " the sect of the Nazarenes " ( Acts 24:5; Matt. 2:23; John 1:45, 46 ), " Christians " ( Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Pet. 4:16 ), " Saints " ( 60 times, Acts 9:13, 32, 41; 26:10; Rom. 1:7; 8:27; 12:13 ), " believers " ( Acts 5:14; 1 Tim. 4:12 ), " beloved of God " ( Rom. 1:7; 2 Thess. 2:13 ), holy brethren " ( Heb. 3:1 ), " the true circumcision " ( Phil.3:3; Rom. 2:29; Col. 2:11-17 ), " fellowcitizens " ( Eph. 2:19 ), " disciples " ( Matt. 5:1; 10:1; John 20:19 ), " the faithful " ( Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 ), " followers of God " ( Eph. 5:1 ), " heirs of God " ( Rom. 8:17 ), " God's husbandry " ( 1 Cor. 3:9 ), " God's heritage " ( 1 Pet. 5:3 ), " kings and priests " ( Rev. 1:6; 5:10 ), " a royal priesthood " ( 1 Pet. 2:9 ), " a peculiar people " ( 1 Pet. 2:9 ), " and holy priesthood " ( 1 Pet. 2:5 ), " vessels of mercy " ( Rom. 9:23 ), " vessels of honor " ( 2 Tim. 2:21 ), " wise men " ( 1 Cor. 10:15 ), " worshippers " ( Heb. 10:2 ), " workers " ( 1 Cor. 6:1 ), " a sweet savour of Christ " ( 2 Cor. 2:15 ), " the righteousness of God " ( 2 Cor. 5:21 ), " ministers of God " ( 2 Cor. 6:4 ), " the salt of the earth " ( Matt. 5:13 ), " one bread " ( 1 Cor. 10:17 ), and " the light of the world " ( Matt. 5:14 ).
 
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These many passages not only reveal what saved men are called, but they also make clear the true character of the believers. They are all Christians meaning Christ-like, not only in word but in deed and in truth. They are all holy, faithful to the truth, and followers of God according to the gospel, and when they cease to be this they no longer are part of the family of God. Just plain common sense proves this as well does all Scripture. When they cease being like Christ they are no longer Christians. When they cease being holy they are unholy ( 1 John 3:8-10 ). When they cease to keep God's laws they break them and incur the death penalty ( Ezek. 18:4; Rom. 8:1-13 ). When they cease to be followers of God they become followers of the devil ( 1 John 3:8 ). When they cease being a peculiar people they are like the world, and the world loves them ( John 15:18-20 ). And when they transgress the law of God they are plain sinners like all others who break the law ( James 5:19, 20; Gal. 5:19-21 ).
Believers are compared to a human body, a man, a house, a building, a temple, a household, a pillar, a flock, a sheep-fold, sheep, lambs, babes, branches, vessels, salt, and lights, and other symbols. How little do modern men realize that they are called to manifest certain characteristics of all these symbols.
 
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Any one who is open to truth can see from these expressions found in Scripture that any attempt to make any one local church or denomination the New Testament Church is unscriptural. Each of these expressions has a different phase of truth to express about the church on Earth. Some of these names, titles, and designations apply to the body of Christ in general and some to to only one part of it in particular, as presented in the local churches. Local churches in the world today have a right to call themselves by any of these names if the name applies to that particular body of believers, or any group of churches can go by any one of these names if the churches are qualified to live up to the name they choose to go by.
 
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THE ORIGIN OF THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH

The church had its origin in the mind of God " before the foundation of the world " ( Eph. 1:3-5 ). It did not become a reality until the earthly ministry of Christ. Since then it has been in the building and will not be complete until it is presented to Christ ( Eph. 5:25-27; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-58 ). The church then is older in election than the kingdom prepared " since the foundation of the world " ( Matt. 25:34 ). Christ first announced the building of the church. It is now being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone ( Eph. 2:19-22 ).
 
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WHO BELONG TO THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH ?

The people saved from the ministry of Christ to the rapture of the church belong to the present church. The Old Testament saints could not belong to the present, called-out body of people for the reason that they did not live during this time. For this same reason the church now could not have belonged to any company of saints in the Old Testament times. The 144.000 Jews who are to be sealed after the rapture of the church could not belong to the present church, for they are saved and sealed after the complete company of this period is caught out of the world ( Rev. 7:1-8; 14:1-5 ). The future tribulation-saints do not belong to the present company of saints because they are saved and martyred after the rapture of the church ( Rev. 7:9-17; 15:2-4; 20:4 ). All these different companies of redeemed will have their respective places in God's future plan as each individual is rewarded at the judgment seat of Christ according to the deeds done in the body, whether they be good or bad. All of them will finally be united in one family living in the New Jerusalem, the bride of Christ.
 
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WAS THE CHURCH FOUNDED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST ?

This is the general conception, but it is not true. The church really began with the ministry of Christ, for He is the one who founded the church ( Matt. 16:18 ). He is the head of it ( Eph. 1:21-23 ). The law and the prophets were UNTIL John; SINCE THEN the kingdom of God is preached and all men press INTO IT ( Luke 16:16 ). God hath " set some in the church , first apostles " ( 1 Cor. 12:28; Eph. 2:19; 4:11 ). When did He set apostles in the church? Certainly before Pentecost ( Matt. 10; Acts 1:15-26 ). What is the church? It is a called-out body of people from the world. were not believers before Pentecost " called-out " of the world and were they not just as much followers of Christ before as after Pentecost ( John 17 ). The apostles were the first chosen and " called-out " ( Matt. 10 ), then seventy others ( Luke 10 ) and later many others were chosen ( Acts 1:12-15; 1 Cor. 15:6 ). All of this selecting was done before Pentecost. What took place at Pentecost was the enduement of power upon the newly formed church (John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15; Luke 24:49 Acts 1:4-8; 2:1-47 ). At Pentecost 3,000 more were added to the called-out people, the church ( Acts 2:40-46 ). A few days later 5,000 more were added ( Acts 4:4 ). These additions still continue and will continue until Christ comes in the air to take away the New Testament Church, together with the redeemed of all ages past. Then this particular called-out body of people will be complete.
 
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ORGANIZATION OF THE CHURCH

The church began not as a mixture of saved and unsaved. Only true believers would associate with the new religion of Christ. The way was too narrow for people to walk in, and persecution from the outside and judgment from the inside ( Acts 5 ) kept people out of the church in the very beginning. Those who did not fully conform to the teachings of Christ left Him before He was crucified ( John 6:66-77 ). Judas backslid and committed suicide, and the secret believers would not come out wholly for Christ. After Pentecost there was such persecution of the church that no one would dare join unless he had made a consecration to suffer ( Acts 5:13 ).Such passages as Acts 1:14; 2:1, 42-47; 4:23-37; 5:12-42 plainly show the united state of the early church. Sin began to enter by Ananias and Sapphira, but it was quickly judged, making the people fearful of joining the church who were not true ( Acts 5:1-16 ). Later on, division started, and it was quickly settled ( Acts 6:1-7 ). Persecution continued to keep the church clean of all hypocrites for some time, and when it ceased troubles in the ranks of Christians began to appear. As the church grew, more divisions and strife appeared until it was necessary to write letters constantly correcting certain doctrines and practices among believers. Tares appeared, and since then Christendom has been a mixture of tares and wheat ( Matt. 13:36-43 ).
As churches multiplied and pagans were converted who did not know the Bible, it became necessary to make written laws and form an organization to control believers and require them to conform to the teachings of Christ and the apostles. Another factor that made it necessary for a more definite form of government in the church was the fact of the conversion of many Jews who still held to the law of Moses.
That there was no organization in the early church is not supported by any part of the New Testament or early church history. Of course the organization was not the same as in some churches of today, but it was a real organization controlled by the apostles and elders and other leaders in other parts of the church world.
 
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The Fact of Church Organization

When we use the word church in a collective sense to refer to the many local churches that were established throughout the world. we may speak of the Methodist Church, the Baptist Church. or the Presbyterian Church of America. The term church simply means churches. When we speak of the New Testament Church we mean the exclusive body of Christ make up of all true new-creature Christians of all the world and of this whole age regardless of personal church affiliation. The following facts in the New Testament prove that there was an organization among the early believers:

(1) Even when Christ was alive the followers of Christ were formed into different groups such as "twelve apostles" ( Matt. 10; Luke 9 ), "seventy" ( Luke 10 ), and the general body of "disciples" in addition to the special eighty-two preachers ordained to preach and heal ( Matt. 8:21; 10:42; Luke 14:26-33; 19:37; John 6:60-66; 8:31; 9:28; 19:38; Acts 1:15; 1 Cor. 15:6 ). Judas was the treasurer of the disciples ( John 13:29 ). Laws of discipline were given for the whole church in the days of Christ ( Matt. 18:17 ). The Lord added to the church 3,000 souls on Pentecost, and if there had been no church before this there could not have been anything to add to ( Acts 2:41 ). There was a church roster, for the names together at Pentecost were 120 ( Acts 1:15 ). Again, over 500 brethren are mentioned as seeing Christ at one time after the resurrection ( 1 Cor. 15:6 ). Voting was carried on by the church ( Acts 1:15-26 ). Many other laws and ordinances were given to the church by Christ, as recorded in the four gospels. Ministers were trained and ordained by Christ ( Matt. 10; Luke 9; and 10 ). Commissions to the church were all given by Christ ( Matt. 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-20; Luke 24:49-52; Acts 1:4-8 ). There were regular meetings held by the disciples before Pentecost ( John 20:19, 26; Luke 24:33, 49-52 ).
 
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Before and after Pentecost the apostles were recognized as the leaders of the church ( Acts 1:15-26; 2:14, 42-47; 4:33, 37; 5:1-16, 18, 29; 6:1-7; 8:14; 11:1-18, 22-30; 15:2, 23 ). Business elders were chosen by the church at the command of the apostles ( Acts 6:1-7 ). When other churches were established, local leaders arose to care for them. They were called "bishops and deacons" ( Phil. 1:1 ), "elders" and "overseers" ( Acts 20:17, 28 ), "ambassadors" ( 2 Cor. 5:20 ), "apostles" . . . prophets . . . evangelists . . . pastors and teachers" ( Eph. 4:11; 1 Cor. 12:28 ), "servants" ( Rom. 16:1; Acts 4:29; 2 Cor. 4:5 ), "ministers" ( 2 Cor. 3:6-15 ), "works" ( 2 Cor. 6:1 ), "stewards" ( 1 Cor. 4:1-2; 1 Pet. 4:10 ), "witnesses" (Acts 1:8 ), "messengers" ( 2 Cor. 8:23 ), "fishers of men" ( Matt. 4:19 ), "laborers" ( matt. 9:38; 1 Thess. 3:2 ), and "preachers" ( Rom. 10:14; 1 Tim. 2:7 ). The fact that there were leaders of churches proves organization and government for the churches.
 

Israel

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The Fact of Church Organization
Voting was carried on by the church ( Acts 1:15-26 ).
Do you understand the casting of lots is better described precisely as "not voting"?
 
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Do you understand the casting of lots is better described precisely as "not voting"?
Yes I do ! Acts 1:26 And they, gave fourth their lots: meaning "Today we would vote," but then the common way was to put names on stones, parchment, or wood into an urn and after prayer let somebody put his hand in and draw out one of the lots Lev. 16:8-9; Josh. 14:2.

In case you don't know.

Does your church draw lots or vote ?
 
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Church leaders had authority to make decisions that affected the whole church ( Acts 6:1-7; 15:2, 6, 4, 19), to execute judgment on sinners ( Acts 13:6-13 ) and upon church members ( Acts 5:1-11; 1 Cor. 4:21; 5:1-8 ), to appoint officers in new churches ( Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5 ); to impart spiritual gifts ( Rom. 1:11; 1 Tim. 4:14; 2 Tim. 1:6; Heb. 6:1-2 ), to impart the spirit-baptism ( Acts 8:14-15; 9:17; 19:1-7 ), to confirm the word of God ( Mark 16:20; Rom. 15:18-29; Acts 19:11-20; Heb. 2:3-4), to call churches together and transact business ( Acts14:27; 20:17 ), to care for churches ( 1 Tim. 3:5 ), to settle doctrinal disputes and make laws ( Acts 15; 16:4; 1 Cor. 4:17; 7:17; 11:2, 34; 14:37 ), to settle differences ( 1 Cor. 6 ), to bind and loose ( Matt. 16:18-20; John 20:22-23 ), to rule churches ( Heb. 13:7,17 ), and to oversee the work of God in general ( Acts 15:1-28; 20:28; 2 Cor. 11:28; Gal. 2:1-15 ).
 
Did you guys know that there were no Gentiles filled with the Spirit at Pentecost?

I’m also in the camp of the church (assembly) having been since Sinai. There were more than Jews at the bottom of that mountain. Israel has always been open to anyone who wanted to come into covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)
 
Did you guys know that there were no Gentiles filled with the Spirit at Pentecost?

I’m also in the camp of the church (assembly) having been since Sinai. There were more than Jews at the bottom of that mountain. Israel has always been open to anyone who wanted to come into covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)
How does Israel being open to Gentiles work out with Ephesians 2:12
"remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world."
 
How does Israel being open to Gentiles work out with Ephesians 2:12
"remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world."
The “but now” of the next verse. ‘But now’ we are grafted in to Gods nation - Israel

That’s the message Christ Himself preached, that anyone could be reconciled to God
 
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