1gr8bldr
Senior Member
Sound off please if you think Jesus created everything..... or if you think the Father did.
Words do not describe what the senses can not perceive and the mind can not understand.
The thought has crossed my mind (a short but very bumpy trip) that the word "hubris" could have been developed to describe those who indicate that they have more than superficial knowledge of the internal or external liaison (ad intra or ad extra) among Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.Not even the words of Scripture or are you talking about the perception and understanding we get from the Spirit?
In other words is it impossible for any of us to understand the perception of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit completely? I've heard many Christians say they can't explain it, they just know in their heart that it's so. They perceive it, they just can't express it in words. Some say it's still in part a mystery.
But you are saying the words can't explain it if the mind isn't opened for the senses to perceive, maybe?
The thought has crossed my mind (a short but very bumpy trip) that the word "hubris" could have been developed to describe those who indicate that they have more than superficial knowledge of the internal or external liaison (ad intra or ad extra) among Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Hum! Hubris you say. A start with the meaning within this verse, that God is Spirit, might not be a superficial beginning... maybe.
"God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth." John 4:24
Would, could other than a superficial knowledge of internal-external "liaison" be had within worship itself, in lieu of scripture study perhaps, provided that it was with the understanding to begin with that God is a spirit... and that worship must be in Spirit.
In other words the expression that of a divine trinity, is of the study within worship from the individual or groups who are regenerated and able to worship in the Spirit and not so much a study of scripture text, but rather of a study of a "worship text".
"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. " Next time you worship God you might want to study this verse... all the "liaisons".
"... knowledge of the internal or external liaison (ad intra or ad extra) among Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
The "liaison" [communication or cooperation that facilitates a close working relationship between people or organizations] to which I referred is that "communication and/or cooperation" which takes place "among Father, Son, and Spirit" that relates to their work which concerns maters "internal" (effecting nothing outside of themselves) or "external" (effecting creation, which may include heaven, which is another conversation). Is that what you responded to?
Wonderful; you are indeed blessed.I thought so... ??? And so far still do... ???
Who is Savior?I still see God as the Father and thus creation.
Who is Savior?
Who is Savior?
"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me." Hosea 13:4So in one way God was our Savior by sending us his Son and in another way Jesus is by dying on the Cross. The Holy Spirit once again gets left out of that formula. He shows up in the formula to lead or call us to our salvation which makes the Holy Spirit our savior as well.
They are all our saviour by their unity but each has a diverse role leading us to our salvation.
I see it throughout Scripture. Paul tells us why some can't see it.Why is it we can use scripture to explain things we believe but not the Trinity?