Sins are Equal?

[olchevy]

I just do not understand it.

How can all sins be equal? How can a person that....I don't know lied to somebody or something we consider a trivial sin be on the same level as a person who murdered or raped or abused other people etc etc......

I just don't understand how a great person that lives their whole life helping others and is "the model person", how they go to H.e.l.l.(thats not a curse word, geesh) for not believing in God. But a serial Killer that truly repents before he dies and TRULY means it can go to Heaven....

Or is this just one of those parts that we are not meant to ever understand?

 

[stringmusic]

I just do not understand it.

How can all sins be equal? How can a person that....I don't know lied to somebody or something we consider a trivial sin be on the same level as a person who murdered or raped or abused other people etc etc......

I just don't understand how a great person that lives their whole life helping others and is "the model person", how they go to H.e.l.l.(thats not a curse word, geesh) for not believing in God. But a serial Killer that truly repents before he dies and TRULY means it can go to Heaven....

Or is this just one of those parts that we are not meant to ever understand?

Jesus didnt come here to make bad people good, He came here to make dead people live!!(not in the litural sense, even though that did occur)

 

[christianhunter]

There is only one sin that will not be forgiven.That is Blasphemy of THE HOLY SPIRIT.According to Scripture,if you are guilty of breaking one of The Commandments,you are guilty of all.

 

[Ronnie T]

Jesus came to give us new birth and new life in Him. (Rom 6).
Those who are living that new life are covered by the blood of Jesus and that will cleanse them of any sins they commit in their life, big or small.

It isn't the size of the sin....... it's the power of the blood.

 

[olchevy]

There is only one sin that will not be forgiven.That is Blasphemy of THE HOLY SPIRIT.According to Scripture,if you are guilty of breaking one of The Commandments,you are guilty of all.

By blasphemy, do you mean denying God or what exactly?

 

[Big7]

http://forum.gon.com/showpost.php?p=5536105&postcount=22

Look down from there.

 

[Hunting Teacher]

All sin is the same in that is completely seperates us from God. Wuthout the sacrafice of Jesus we would all be guilty and condemned to He11.
But the consequences of sin we commit here on earth are going to have different results. Meaning yes, if you are a little kid and lie to Dad about your homework, and someone else goes out and commits murder the consequences here on earth are going to be drastically different.
Now are different sins going to affect someones "position" or "location" in Heaven or He11?
I can't tell from scripture myself but I lean towards no, but I'm sure there is someone here much smarter than me that can answer that question for you.

 

[Ronnie T]

All sin is the same in that is completely seperates us from God. Wuthout the sacrafice of Jesus we would all be guilty and condemned to He11.
But the consequences of sin we commit here on earth are going to have different results. Meaning yes, if you are a little kid and lie to Dad about your homework, and someone else goes out and commits murder the consequences here on earth are going to be drastically different.
Now are different sins going to affect someones "position" or "location" in Heaven or He11?
I can't tell from scripture myself but I lean towards no, but I'm sure there is someone here much smarter than me that can answer that question for you.

I'm not so sure anyone can answer this question. As with many of the other questions will deal with.

It seems to me that if God tells you not to steal and tells me not to kill, and we both disobey, we both have become sinners before God.

Now, our society considers murder to be a more horrific sin than stealing, but I'm not so sure God does.

But we do know that God will forgive either sin as quickly as the other.

 

[Ronnie T]

I know that Moses disobeyed God in what most people would consider a 'small' thing. Yet, because of it Moses did not enter Canaan.

 

[Ronnie T]

There is only one sin that will not be forgiven.That is Blasphemy of THE HOLY SPIRIT.According to Scripture,if you are guilty of breaking one of The Commandments,you are guilty of all.

If a person blasphemy's the Holy Spirit, and then truly repents, do you think God will forgive?
Or is this blasphemy not repentable from?

 

[christianhunter]

If a person blasphemy's the Holy Spirit, and then truly repents, do you think God will forgive?
Or is this blasphemy not repentable from?

THE LORD JESUS HIMSELF,tells us,you will not be forgiven in this world,or the world to come,if you commit Blasphemy against THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[olchevy]

Here is a quote from a christian research website on "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.....Supposedly no christian can commit it according to this. I do not know of the site it just came up in my search...

"Can a Believer Commit the Unforgivable Sin?

No. A believer cannot commit the unforgivable sin. How can someone who has been born again (John 3:7), made a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and received eternal life (John 10:27-28) actually commit the unforgivable sin? He cannot. Jesus Himself said that we have eternal life, not conditional life: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:27-28). Besides, it says in 2 Cor. 5:17 that the Christian is a new creation in Christ. We are different, no longer slaves to the old nature (Rom. 6:14). We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

There is no biblical support for a believer committing this sin. It just hasn't happened. Also, if you are worried that you may have committed the sin and can't be forgiven, then don't be concerned. If you are worrying about it, then you haven't committed it. I
f you are worried about it, then that is a sign that you have not committed it. If you had, you wouldn't be concerned."


Also I was going to add on a side note this.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand"

The part where it says
"and no one shall snatch them out of My hand"
Sounds to me like he is answering a question i see on here a lot, about can a person lose salvation....Unless i am looking at this in the wrong context it seems as though once you have accepted him, you are forever and always with him and nothing can change it......Does my thinking on this make sense?

 

[Crubear]

The historical context I heard of public denial was during the Christian persecutions. If accused of being a Christian you were given the opportunity to renounce/deny Christ. If you did this and paid homage to the statue of Ceaser or other god you were let free.

On topic, I once heard a southern preacher make the statement - "God don't rank 'em, he judges them"

 

[christianhunter]

If a person blasphemy's the Holy Spirit, and then truly repents, do you think God will forgive?
Or is this blasphemy not repentable from?

Maybe I should not have brought this up.I was using this as an example,that,you can be forgiven for anything.There is only this one sin,and this sin only,that will not be forgiven.The Brother above mentioned a Christian cannot commit this sin,and that is true.It is also true,if you worry about committing the sin,you did not commit it.

 

[Ronnie T]

Maybe I should not have brought this up.I was using this as an example,that,you can be forgiven for anything.There is only this one sin,and this sin only,that will not be forgiven.The Brother above mentioned a Christian cannot commit this sin,and that is true.It is also true,if you worry about committing the sin,you did not commit it.

Thanks. I agree.

I don't think the unforgiveable sin is an issue at all for any person who has interest in repenting and coming to God.
Committing the sin would mean a person wouldn't have the capacity to repent and seek God.

At least that's my take on it.
There's about 3,000 other 'takes' in addition to mine.

 

[Toddmann]

I had heard all my life that all sin was the same but there is actually 2 types of sin in the Bible. Intentional (willfull/rebellous) sin and unintentional sin. This can be found I believe in Leviticus 4-7. Proverb 21:2. God says, Every way of a man seems right to himself but God (Jehovah) weighs the heart. In other words what was a man's intent, what was his motive. If you go out and chop wood with a man and your axe blade accidentally flies off and kills a man that is murder. But what if you go out to chop wood with that man and intend to kill him by loosing up the blade so it will fly off so it will kill him. There is a difference in those 2 sins in the way I understand God's Word. One sin was unintentional and the other was intentional (willfull/rebellious/wicked). Repentance is needed for both sins which can only come thru Jesus. Only Jesus can change a man's heart. Jeremiah says in 17:9 that a man's heart is deceitful above all things.

 

[crackerdave]

All sin is the same in that is completely seperates us from God. Wuthout the sacrafice of Jesus we would all be guilty and condemned to He11.
But the consequences of sin we commit here on earth are going to have different results. Meaning yes, if you are a little kid and lie to Dad about your homework, and someone else goes out and commits murder the consequences here on earth are going to be drastically different.
Now are different sins going to affect someones "position" or "location" in Heaven or He11?
I can't tell from scripture myself but I lean towards no, but I'm sure there is someone here much smarter than me that can answer that question for you.

Nothing I can add to that! Wisdom will trump "smart" every time.

 

[gordon 2]

I take it that the author of 1John was more than cleaver.

1John ch. 5:16-17TJB

16.If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the sinner -- that is not those who commit a deadly sin;
For there is a sin that is death,
and I will not say you must pray about that.
17.Every kind of wrongdoing is sin,
but not all sin is deadly.

 

[gordon 2]

I know that Moses disobeyed God in what most people would consider a 'small' thing. Yet, because of it Moses did not enter Canaan.

This is very profound thinking, I think and drives the nail home, I think.

We have no cause to not trust God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit...and yet as christians and I include myself in this, we do not trust God at his word, Jesus and the apostles at their examples and the Holy Spirit as our light. Why? I really don't know.

Moses tapped on a rock twice. I've been hammering like my father, a carpenter, never taught me to drive a nail home. But he did! And I still hold the spirtual hammer half way up the handle. I really don't know why, but I do...?

 

[Ronnie T]

This is very profound thinking, I think and drives the nail home, I think.

We have no cause to not trust God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit...and yet as christians and I include myself in this, we do not trust God at his word, Jesus and the apostles at their examples and the Holy Spirit as our light. Why? I really don't know.

Moses tapped on a rock twice. I've been hammering like my father, a carpenter, never taught me to drive a nail home. But he did! And I still hold the spirtual hammer half way up the handle. I really don't know why, but I do...?

Never ever heard that analogy used in a spiritual sense.
It makes a very good point.