GunnSmokeer
Senior Member
Back in 2015 I sent my first-generation Taurus PT111 Millennium for repairs-- it was throwing the ejected brass right into my face half the time.
Instead of fixing it, they kept it and said that model was subject to a recall.
In the spring of 2017, about 1.5 years later, I got the replacement gun from Taurus. A new PT-111 G2. Okay, I like the type of semi-cocked safe action type trigger (but will DAO second-strike capacity) on the new gun better. And I like that it has a fully adjustable rear.
So, in the last 2.5 years (from March 2017 to Fall 2019) I've shot this gun maybe 500 rounds total. Only maybe 20 rounds of +P defensive ammo, and the rest 115 gr. range ammo. Nearly all brass-cased, mostly American-made. A few Wolf and Tula rounds thru it just for sheets and giggles. They worked fine.
LAST MONTH, for the first time ever, I got a misfire. The gun went "click" instead of bang.
Now, I didn't even try to use the "second strike" feature on this gun, where the trigger switches over to Double-Action mode and lets you try again, but with a longer and heavier pull. I just waited for 20 seconds and ejected the misfired round. It was a Remington Golden Saber, 124 gr. HP, and it was a fairly new one, bought in 2014 or so. I reloaded the gun and continued shooting, and had another misfire 5 minutes later. Also a Golden Saber.
Both of the primers got a pretty light hit, but when I picked up the fired brass from all around me, they didn't look like they got much more of a hit, and yet they went off.
I did notice that the firing pin indentations were NOT centered in the primer. They were off-center.
If the GON forum software will let me upload pics, I did take some photos. But nearly always this site says my pics are too big in file size to post here.
Today I tested the gun again, this time only with FMJ ammo. Winchester white box, and Rem-UMC. All new, fresh, brass-cased ammo.
About 1 out of each 10 rounds had the same kind of misfire problem, and even the rounds that fired successfully had off-center striker dents in the primer.
I also noticed fir the first time that my gun's slide has had the firing pin hole (or striker hole?) chamfered rather deeply, much more than I'd think wise or necessary to make sure that the hole is round and flush with the breechface, with no burrs sticking up.
Again, I'll try to post pics in a few minutes, but I want to get this text up here first in case I have computer trouble.
Has anybody else noticed this, with Taurus semi-auto pistols of recent manufacture?
I see a couple of threads about it in TaurusArmed dot net, and those people say that some guns have this problem, but others don't. And some guns have a very deeply chamfered or counter-bored firing pin hole (like a crown on the muzzle of a gun, per some of their photos), but this doesn't seem to affect their guns' reliability. They report that their fired cases have bulged primers that have been forced back toward this divot in the breechface, as do mine. But only some of these TaurusArmed dotnet members report reliabiilty problems and misfires.
What do you guys think?
P.S. I know that my gun, being a G2 model but not the newer and cheaper "G2C" version, still has a lifetime warranty . I could send it back. The problem is, Taurus takes FoREver to fix or replace defective guns, and this is a pistol I regularly carry. Even more so in the fall and winter, when I'm more likely to be wearing a cover garment (I assume the weather will get coool pretty soon-- this mid-July weather can't last from May through November, can it???)
Instead of fixing it, they kept it and said that model was subject to a recall.
In the spring of 2017, about 1.5 years later, I got the replacement gun from Taurus. A new PT-111 G2. Okay, I like the type of semi-cocked safe action type trigger (but will DAO second-strike capacity) on the new gun better. And I like that it has a fully adjustable rear.
So, in the last 2.5 years (from March 2017 to Fall 2019) I've shot this gun maybe 500 rounds total. Only maybe 20 rounds of +P defensive ammo, and the rest 115 gr. range ammo. Nearly all brass-cased, mostly American-made. A few Wolf and Tula rounds thru it just for sheets and giggles. They worked fine.
LAST MONTH, for the first time ever, I got a misfire. The gun went "click" instead of bang.
Now, I didn't even try to use the "second strike" feature on this gun, where the trigger switches over to Double-Action mode and lets you try again, but with a longer and heavier pull. I just waited for 20 seconds and ejected the misfired round. It was a Remington Golden Saber, 124 gr. HP, and it was a fairly new one, bought in 2014 or so. I reloaded the gun and continued shooting, and had another misfire 5 minutes later. Also a Golden Saber.
Both of the primers got a pretty light hit, but when I picked up the fired brass from all around me, they didn't look like they got much more of a hit, and yet they went off.
I did notice that the firing pin indentations were NOT centered in the primer. They were off-center.
If the GON forum software will let me upload pics, I did take some photos. But nearly always this site says my pics are too big in file size to post here.
Today I tested the gun again, this time only with FMJ ammo. Winchester white box, and Rem-UMC. All new, fresh, brass-cased ammo.
About 1 out of each 10 rounds had the same kind of misfire problem, and even the rounds that fired successfully had off-center striker dents in the primer.
I also noticed fir the first time that my gun's slide has had the firing pin hole (or striker hole?) chamfered rather deeply, much more than I'd think wise or necessary to make sure that the hole is round and flush with the breechface, with no burrs sticking up.
Again, I'll try to post pics in a few minutes, but I want to get this text up here first in case I have computer trouble.
Has anybody else noticed this, with Taurus semi-auto pistols of recent manufacture?
I see a couple of threads about it in TaurusArmed dot net, and those people say that some guns have this problem, but others don't. And some guns have a very deeply chamfered or counter-bored firing pin hole (like a crown on the muzzle of a gun, per some of their photos), but this doesn't seem to affect their guns' reliability. They report that their fired cases have bulged primers that have been forced back toward this divot in the breechface, as do mine. But only some of these TaurusArmed dotnet members report reliabiilty problems and misfires.
What do you guys think?
P.S. I know that my gun, being a G2 model but not the newer and cheaper "G2C" version, still has a lifetime warranty . I could send it back. The problem is, Taurus takes FoREver to fix or replace defective guns, and this is a pistol I regularly carry. Even more so in the fall and winter, when I'm more likely to be wearing a cover garment (I assume the weather will get coool pretty soon-- this mid-July weather can't last from May through November, can it???)
