Conscience of Man Gen. 3:22-8:14 1:3-8:14

BanjoPicker

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THAT ANGELS DID COMMIT FORNICATION IS PLAIN IN SCRIPTURE.
In Pet. 2:4, 5 we have the statement the angels did sin before the flood and for this they were cast down to He11 and delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. Peter does not tell us what sin the angels committed, but Jude 6, 7 does: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. EVEN AS Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them IN LIKE MANNER [Greek, as did these angels], giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example suffering the vengeance of eternal "fire." In Gen. 6:1-4 we have the historical record of the sin of these angels. If Sodom and other cities committed fornication and lived contrary to nature, or these cities could not have committed the sin of these angels. Thus, we have plain proof the angels did live with the daughters of men, and to deny it is to deny part of the Word of God.
 

BanjoPicker

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ANGELS DO HAVE REAL BODIES AND CAN LIVE LIKE MEN.

That angels do have real bodies like men and that they have appeared to man as men many times. If they do have real bodies and have done and can do bodily acts such as man does, then why could they not live with the daughters of men and produce offspring? By leaving their own native state and spirit-habitation to live in human realm, they could marry the daughters of men as human beings do. Human beings are to be changed and live in the spirit realm in the next life, so what is there hard to understand about how spirit-beings can come down to live in the human realm? Jude plainly says that angels left their own habitation and lived like men. The Greek word for habitation is oiketerion and is used only in Jude 6 and 2 Cor. 5:2, where it is used of the new bodies from Heaven, or the spiritual and glorified bodies of saints left. It is the estate the angels did not keep.
The only objection to the fact that angels lived with men and married the daughters of men is Matt. 22:30 where Jesus stated that those who have part in the resurrection will not marry in the next life, but are like the angels in Heaven. Jesus did not say here thar angels were sexless and could not come down on the human plane and marry. He merely taught that resurrected saints and angels in Heaven do not marry to keep their race going, as is necessary down here.
 

BanjoPicker

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It is a fact that resurrected men and women will still be male and female in the resurrection, so Jesus did not want to leave the impression that men will become sexless in the next life. This would be contradicting Paul in 1 Cor. 15:35-58, where he states that every person will have his own body in the next life. This is why we shall then know others as we are now known 1 Cor. 13:12. It is also a fact that angels are all male beings, for they have always appeared s men and are always referred to in the masculine gender. Angels could not have committed fornication if they were sexless. Angels have bodily parts like man, so why should they not be able to commit fornication like men?

We are obligated to believe plain Scriptures or make Jude, Peter, Moses, and others false teachers. Wecare not required to understand how spirit-beings could do things that man can do, we are simply required to believe it if it is so stated in Scripture. It is easy to understand, however, when one study's the Scriptures and see how angels are real persons with real bodies and can do acts that man can do.
 

Spotlite

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Do angels have to be changed from real bodies as we have (corruptible) to incorruptible each time they enter heaven?
 

BanjoPicker

Senior Member
THE TWO CLASSES OF FALLEN ANGELS PROVE THE ONES NOW IN HE11 COMMITTED A SPECIAL SIN.
If the ones now in he11 did not commit a special sin, then they would still be loosed with those who are not bound. In 2 Pet. 2:4 and Jude 6-7 it is clear that some angels are bound in he11 now, and in Rev. 12:7-12 it is clear that some angels are still loose with the devil in the heavenlies and will be cast down to the Earth in the future just before the second coming of Christ to the Earth. No doubt all these angels sinned against God when Lucifer rebelled on the original Earth before Adam, but those bound in he11 today committed an extra sin and lived with the daughters of men to thwart God’s plan in the coming of the seed of the woman, as recorded in Gen. 6:1-4, 11-13.
 

BanjoPicker

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The spirits in prison of 1 Pet. 3:19, 20 are the angels that sinned in the days of Noah and are the same as the sons of God of Gen. 6:1-4. The spirits in prison could not be the souls of men because of the following considerations:

1. These spirits sinned in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, providing that the sons of God married the daughters of men all through the age of Conscience from the time daughters were born to men until the building of the ark. If they were the souls of men that Christ preached to, then it was to only one generation of men that He preached, the one that lived while the ark was preparing 1 Pet. 3:19. Why did He single out this one generation and make a respecter of persons of Himself and not preach to the generation before and after this one? Why should He preach to only one generation of men in he11 and not to all others? What kind of massage could He have given to one generation that could not apply to all other men in He11.
 
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BanjoPicker

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2. If the spirits in prison were just one generation of men that sinned while the ark was being prepared, then we are forced to believe that there must have been a special prison for that one generation or that all other wicked men of all other generations are not in He11. Which are we to believe? The Bible teaches that all wicked human beings go to one place until the resurrection. If we believe that these spirits in prison refer to one class of angels that sinned all through the age of Conscience and that God finally took action against them in the days of Noah, every problem will automatically be solved concerning who these spirits are, where they are, why they are confined to He11.

3. The time of the sin of these spirits is the same time as the sin of the angels of 2 Pet. 2:4, 5; Jude 6-8, which was before the flood, proving that the spirits in prison and the angels are the same class of beings.
 
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