The great political art of compromise

hummdaddy

Senior Member
The GOP had control of the White House and both Houses of Congress under George W. Bush. That's total power.

Did things get better or worse under Dubya? Did the size, scope, cost and intrusiveness of government get smaller, or did Leviathan continue to grow and to consume and destroy?
when you get that much power you get a god like complex...:pop:
 

weagle

Senior Member
The GOP had control of the White House and both Houses of Congress under George W. Bush. That's total power.

Did things get better or worse under Dubya? Did the size, scope, cost and intrusiveness of government get smaller, or did Leviathan continue to grow and to consume and destroy?
Surely, you don't consider all Republicans conservatives? Don't you remember, Arlen Specter, John McCain, Olympia Snowe etc. Zell Miller was a Democrate, but he helped more than some of the Republicans.

We need conservatives, to move us in the right direction. That means supporting the most conservative candidates all across the country.
 
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Surely, you don't consider all Republicans conservatives? Don't you remember, Arlen Specter, John McCain, Olympia Snowe etc. Zell Miller was a Democrate, but he helped more than some of the Republicans.

We need conservatives, to move us in the right direction. That means supporting the most conservative candidates all across the country.
Like Mitt Romney?
 

weagle

Senior Member
Compared to Obama, Romney is a virtual Barry Goldwater.

Time to pick a side, and don't fall back on that "lesser of two evils" stance. To do so is to declare your position irrelevant.
 
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Compared to Obama, Romney is a virtual Barry Goldwater.

Time to pick a side, and don't fall back on that "lesser of two evils" stance. To do so is to declare your position irrelevant.
More relativism.
 

weagle

Senior Member
I was just thinking: Hundreds of years ago, traders learned that you prevail against a head wind, not by trying to go straight against it, but by tacking against the wind.

Genius.
 
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I was just thinking: Hundreds of years ago, traders learned that you prevail against a head wind, not by trying to go straight against it, but by tacking against the wind.

Genius.

Hmmm.

So, here all along we've been saying you guys are killing America. You're destroying freedom, your compromises and outright capitulations have resulted in a wrecked economy and you're complicit in the rampant growth of large, intrusive government.

When, what we should do is just drop all that nonsense and ride along with you guys as your candidates destroy our country, helping you as you go.

Moronic. :rolleyes:
 
Thread starter #31
Come on, guys. The GOP shares the field of power with the Democrats.

That's where the real game is, not on the sidelines...right, redlevel?

Since that's where the game and the power reside, let's go right ahead and tell me where I can expect the Republicans to exercise the art of compromise with their Democrat counterparts.

Where can I expect y'all to cave next?

How about I offer y'all a little jumpstart?

Romney will "repeal and replace" Obamacare and Dodd-Frank, streamlining both while keeping what he considers the "good parts" of each.

Just a spoonful of socialism, y'know.

Romney and Ryan and pretty much all the GOP..."Oh, no! NO, we don't want to end socialist programs like medicare and social [in]security. NO sir! We want to keep them around for years and years and years to come. We just need to tweak them to ensure Americans will have do deal with them forever!"

Good ol' compromise. Great negotiating, guys. Really.
How about, it guys? Anybody wanna take a crack at the OP?

I know, it's more fun to play kick the Libertarians, but it's already been proven that Libertarians are irrelevant. We don't count, we're barely a statistical blip on the screen, if that.

Republicans and Democrats, that's where the power is. That's where the big boys make the deals that rule America.

Come on, guys! Show me where we can expect to see Republicans exercising the fine art of political compromise.
 

weagle

Senior Member
Quite the contrary, in this instance. I may be irrelevant, but at least I'm not contributing to the problem.
We are in agreement. You have chosen to opt out. When you decide to get back in the game, I hope you throw your support to most conservative candidate that has a chance to win.
 
The founding fathers compromised when they wrote the Constitution.



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Considering the warnings of the anti-federalists have now come true your point is one in pbradley's favor.
 

weagle

Senior Member
Considering the warnings of the anti-federalists have now come true your point is one in pbradley's favor.
Basic misunderstand of history and reality.

The federalists did sign the constitution. So they agreed to it. They negotiated to the best of their ability and struck an agreement. Could have held out, not compromised, taken their ball and went home, and we would probably be another Mexico or worse at this point in history.
 
Nationwide concealed carry? With what rules? Which class must I take and what test score must I achieve in order to be allowed to carry?

THAT is what nationwide concealed carry will mean. It surely wont be constitutional carry which some states have gone to recently.

So just exactly what are you willing to give up in order to get this nationwide concealed carry? Would the relinquishment of open carry be enough for you? Or perhaps the relinquishment of semi auto handguns? What about MAY issue instead of SHALL issue? Where do you think the compromise will come?
 
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Balrog

Senior Member
Compared to Obama, Romney is a virtual Barry Goldwater.
No that is absolutely not true, and if you knew anything about Goldwater you would not say that. Romney has much more in common with Obama than Goldwater, and to suggest otherwise is an outright untruth based either in ignorance or maliciousness.
 
Basic misunderstand of history and reality.

The federalists did sign the constitution. So they agreed to it. They negotiated to the best of their ability and struck an agreement. Could have held out, not compromised, taken their ball and went home, and we would probably be another Mexico or worse at this point in history.
I think you meant to say anti-federalists. Had the constitution been left as it was originally written indeed we would be another Mexico or worse at this point in time. We aren't far off the mark right now and the only thing that has carried us this far is the bill of rights. You sound like someone who has never read the writings of the anti-federalists.
 
Looking back over our history does the politics of compromise expand and strengthen individual liberty or restrict and weaken it?
 
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Not to mention, the offer to compromise and allow Libertarians a part of the process through working with the Republicans is a false one.

We all saw how Ron Paul got treated at the convention.

Did you know they offered RP a chance to speak at the convention?

It's true. RP could speak under two conditions:

1 - He had to give a full and complete endorsement of Mitt Romney;

2 - His speech had to be "vetted" by Romney's campaign before he could speak.

RP said "no thanks" - just like he should have.
 
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