Artfuldodger
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Now the question is; will the great mystery of two becoming one be revealed eventually? Will we all be united?
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The One True God?
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centerpin fan
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Artfuldodger
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Yeah I hope the Methodist are of the Elect as they are leading the way towards "Unity."
There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free;
nor is there male or female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)
Artfuldodger
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Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.
The Hindu never had a Covenant(law) with God.
John 9:41
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
(Is the Hindu accountable?)
Romans 15:21
Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."
(Only if made to see by God = election)
Romans 10:14
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
(I was assuming God could make them not blind himself)
2 Peter 2:21
It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.
Yet the Hindu has knowledge of the one true God and thus he knows right from wrong. How can a totally depraved person know right from wrong? Isn't he blind?
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.
The Hindu never had a Covenant(law) with God.
John 9:41
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
(Is the Hindu accountable?)
Romans 15:21
Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."
(Only if made to see by God = election)
Romans 10:14
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
(I was assuming God could make them not blind himself)
2 Peter 2:21
It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.
Yet the Hindu has knowledge of the one true God and thus he knows right from wrong. How can a totally depraved person know right from wrong? Isn't he blind?
Artfuldodger
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Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
God's invisible qualities makes everyone aware of him. How does total depravity enter into this? Did God blind these people who should have been aware of his existence? Everyone is aware of his existence.
Is the Hindu aware of God's existence by his invisible qualities?
Is this awareness different from knowing about Jesus? Did they ignore God so he has blinded them from Jesus?
Why would God make someone depraved or ignorant to his own salvation?
The blind can't see. God must deliver sight.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
God's invisible qualities makes everyone aware of him. How does total depravity enter into this? Did God blind these people who should have been aware of his existence? Everyone is aware of his existence.
Is the Hindu aware of God's existence by his invisible qualities?
Is this awareness different from knowing about Jesus? Did they ignore God so he has blinded them from Jesus?
Why would God make someone depraved or ignorant to his own salvation?
The blind can't see. God must deliver sight.
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Artfuldodger
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Borrowed from another thread;
Is it possible for God to give this faith to people who have never heard of Jesus?
If every man in the whole world was made in the image of God, perhaps Adam took this image away and Jesus restored it.
Now somehow every man in the whole world's image has been restored. We can now become more like God.
We can become the Children of God and the brother of Jesus.
Election is better for world wide salvation compared to witnessing.
God can give people the faith they need to believe even if it's just a small measure.
The one true God that is.
Is it possible for God to give this faith to people who have never heard of Jesus?
If every man in the whole world was made in the image of God, perhaps Adam took this image away and Jesus restored it.
Now somehow every man in the whole world's image has been restored. We can now become more like God.
We can become the Children of God and the brother of Jesus.
Election is better for world wide salvation compared to witnessing.
God can give people the faith they need to believe even if it's just a small measure.
The one true God that is.
mdgreco191
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I have to say your points are very interesting. I am not nearly as educated as you or others in the Bible. However, I will attempt to answer your question in my own simple way.
I have to believe as with anything that is touched by man it has been distorted. Therefore the Bible even though it is the inspired word of God was tainted and/or misinterpreted / incorrectly translated in some places. So I would have to believe that anyone that believes in God as a whole and decides to live a good life would be granted access to heaven. I know that may anger many who believe that accepting Jesus into your life is the only way to gain access to the afterlife. To Artfuldodger's point though I don't think it can be that cut and dry.
As I have said I'm sure others will dissent, but I just have a hard time believing that somebody on a far-flung place would not be granted access to heaven just because they hadn't heard the Christian version of God's word.
I have to believe as with anything that is touched by man it has been distorted. Therefore the Bible even though it is the inspired word of God was tainted and/or misinterpreted / incorrectly translated in some places. So I would have to believe that anyone that believes in God as a whole and decides to live a good life would be granted access to heaven. I know that may anger many who believe that accepting Jesus into your life is the only way to gain access to the afterlife. To Artfuldodger's point though I don't think it can be that cut and dry.
As I have said I'm sure others will dissent, but I just have a hard time believing that somebody on a far-flung place would not be granted access to heaven just because they hadn't heard the Christian version of God's word.
"According to Revelation 9:20-21, the rest of mankind who were not killed by the plagues did not repent of their actions, including their worship of demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see, hear, or walk."
FIFY.
I think this more and more all the time.
livinoutdoors
Goatherding Non-socialist Bohemian Luddite
Resurectin old threads is a new trend i guess. No man knows the mind of our creator. None.
gordon 2
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It should get livelier when the next election cycle kicks in. Usually does. There has been a trend lets say.
gordon 2
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The Tower of Babble really did a number on spiritual unity. No! wait! Before the Tower of Babble they were doing a number of spiritual life. I would suggest that the great difference between Christianity and a good many other religions or faiths is that Christianity is not a wisdom religion or a knowledge faith. It has more in common with the mystical aspects of other religions. The degrees of view from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is very different than the degrees of view from the tree of life--- yet both observers might yet both pastorals might have the same god.
It Is Written: (of Abba's Children) We Have The Thoughts of Jesus!
j_seph
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Aren't these Gods mentioned in the Bible?
Baal, Astarte, Asherah, Chemosh, Dagon, Moloch, Tammuz,
Baal, Astarte, Asherah, Chemosh, Dagon, Moloch, Tammuz,
Dub
Senior Member
It is quite evident what the outcome has been for American society since drifting away from God.
One simply can examine what has occurred in our schools to see a glaring example.
It is sad to see it occurring.
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