Where Are The Dead

How can the word of God be so sharp as to separate spirit from soul?

how can it then judge the attitude of the heart?
Does God ever separate the spirit from the body? I guess I'm seeing one person associate the soul with the body and the other person associating it with the spirit.

I don't know it sure gets confusing. I can see the soul as being the person. I can the soul as being life. I can't see it as being just flesh or spirit but both. It is who you are. It's your essence of life in your body.
Your soul is you which is spirit and flesh. Maybe none of it can be separated. How can you be who you are without everything that makes you who you are?
 
"Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna ."

Seems like a future time after the resurrection if both will be destroyed in Gehenna. Otherwise a person will remain in death. Don't fear the person who can put you in Gehenna, but the one who can make your soul(life) be destroyed their as well.
 
To me it seems like it all leads to death or the alternative, everlasting life. I think everlasting life is something some will gain after the resurrection. After the resurrection of the good and evil.
 
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Death is a blunder and an abortion if there is no immortality of the body.

There is no need to argue that death is real. The fact that men die proves it. God appointed death because of sin ( Heb. 9:27 ). The vindication of God as a perfect Worker and a just Judge requires life after death. The present life is too brief to finish life's work or to receive justice and meet opportunities that come. Men merely begin their life's work and have to leave it largely undone. Thousands die in infancy before starting in life. What incompleteness and what a waste of life if death ands all! Without life after death, the present life is a mockery, an incompleteness, and an infinite series of abortions. But with the wonderful hope of immorality to enter fully into life's work and eternal plans, all the riddles of existence can be explained. With Paul we can say, "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable" ( 1 Cor. 15:19 ).
Justice demands that all men live again that they might receive the things done in the body, whether they be good or bad ( Matt. 10:41, 42; 16:27; 19:28-30; Rom. 14:10; 1 Cor. 3:11-15; 2 Cor. 5:9-10; Heb. 9:27; Rev. 20:11-15 ). Mere extinction of being would not be justice nor would it be the proper penalty, nor would it permit degrees of punishment corresponding to degrees of guilt as taught in Scripture ( Matt. 47 ). If punishment was extinction of being then all will be punished alike and this contrary to these Scriptures which state that there are degrees of punishment according to deeds done. Degrees of guilt demand immorality of the body as well as of the soul of the wicked, just as obedience to God demands life for the saints to enjoy the fruits of their works. If death ends all, then the conscience and the Bible has told more lies than they have ever accused men of telling. The conscience and religion are both a cheat and a farce if men will not meet justice after death. If man is not immortal, God is not just.
 
Death is a blunder and an abortion if there is no immortality of the body.

There is no need to argue that death is real. The fact that men die proves it. God appointed death because of sin ( Heb. 9:27 ). The vindication of God as a perfect Worker and a just Judge requires life after death. The present life is too brief to finish life's work or to receive justice and meet opportunities that come. Men merely begin their life's work and have to leave it largely undone. Thousands die in infancy before starting in life. What incompleteness and what a waste of life if death ands all! Without life after death, the present life is a mockery, an incompleteness, and an infinite series of abortions. But with the wonderful hope of immorality to enter fully into life's work and eternal plans, all the riddles of existence can be explained. With Paul we can say, "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable" ( 1 Cor. 15:19 ).
Justice demands that all men live again that they might receive the things done in the body, whether they be good or bad ( Matt. 10:41, 42; 16:27; 19:28-30; Rom. 14:10; 1 Cor. 3:11-15; 2 Cor. 5:9-10; Heb. 9:27; Rev. 20:11-15 ). Mere extinction of being would not be justice nor would it be the proper penalty, nor would it permit degrees of punishment corresponding to degrees of guilt as taught in Scripture ( Matt. 47 ). If punishment was extinction of being then all will be punished alike and this contrary to these Scriptures which state that there are degrees of punishment according to deeds done. Degrees of guilt demand immorality of the body as well as of the soul of the wicked, just as obedience to God demands life for the saints to enjoy the fruits of their works. If death ends all, then the conscience and the Bible has told more lies than they have ever accused men of telling. The conscience and religion are both a cheat and a farce if men will not meet justice after death. If man is not immortal, God is not just.
The Bible does say that all men will be resurrected on the last day. If the alternative to death is just everlasting life, why wake up all those who will not gain everlasting life? Why not just let them stay in the grave. Is God gonna resurrect them just to rub it in? OK, you were a bad person, your penalty is death, back to the grave. Maybe so they can catch a glimpse of what they will be missing. Like the kid who didn't get an ice cream when the other kids did.
 
Interesting comments
Man was to live forever with no death in sight. Be fruitful and fill the earth…. Death was not in the picture. unless he disobeyed god.

Then he sinned. Thus the explanation at Rom 5:12. he died as god said he would
Positively die.
His whole being, the living soul retuned to dust. If not… then god certainly lied.

Imperfect man, adams children have a hope in Jesus who paid the price, ransom for us all to have everlasting life that Adam lost IF we come to accurate knowledge John 17:3 amd do gods will.

again….. if there is life after death now, that makes ressurection day, the last day as Mary stated and Jesus did not disagree, completely invalid.
If no ressurection, Jesus ministry invalid

Hundreds of scriptures on the restoration of the earth, via Gods Kingdom Dan 2:44) wicked gone, meek inherit it, restored to paradise, dead resurrected to judgement to learn to live by gods standards, and work to gain that everlasting life and more Ps 37
Free of death (Rev 21:3-4) disease, crime, and more.
 
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BODY, SOUL, AND SPIRIT. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, each angel and man, and every separate person in the universe has a personal body, soul, and spirit, which are separate and distinct from all others.

THE BODY OF ANY BEING IS THE OUTWARD FORM OR HOUSE IN WHICH HIS SOUL AND SPIRIT DWELLS ( GEN. 2:7, 19; JOHN 5:28-29; MATT. 27:52; 1 COR. 15:34-58; JAS. 2:26; 1 THESS. 5:23; HEB. 10:5-10 ) THERE ARE SPIRITUAL AND NATURAL BODIES, OR HEAVENLY AND EARTHLY BODIES, AND BOTH MINDS ARE REAL ( 1 COR. 15:40-49 ).

THE SOUL IS THAT INVISBLE PART OF OF ALL LIVING BEINGS THAT FEEL--THE SEAT OF HIS AFFECTIONS, EMOTIONS, PASSIONS, AND DESIRES, AND WHICH GIVES HIM SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS AND MAKES HIM A SENTIENT BEING ( LEV. 23:43; 1 SAM. 22:2; 30:6; 2 SAM. 13:39; 2 KINGS 4:27; 23:3; PS. 107:5, 9, 18, 26; MARK 12:33; MATT. 26:38; JOHN 12:27; HEB. 10:38; HEB. 4:12 ).

THE SPIRIT IS THAT INVISIBLE PART OF ALL LIVING BEINGS THAT KNOWS THE--SEAT OFHIS INTELLECT, MIND, AND WILL, AND THAT WHICH GIVES HIMSELF-DETERMINATION AND MAKES HIMFREE MORAL AGENT AND A RATIONAL BEING ( 1 COR. 2:11; MATT. 26:41; EXODUS 35:21; JOB 38:8, 18; PROV. 20:27; PHIL. 1:27; HEB. 4:12; JAS. 2:26; 1 THESS. 5:23 ).
 

Madman

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"Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna ."

Seems like a future time after the resurrection if both will be destroyed in Gehenna. Otherwise a person will remain in death. Don't fear the person who can put you in Gehenna, but the one who can make your soul(life) be destroyed their as well.
The soul in Gehenna is not as it is intended, it is “dead”.

The human is made to be with God.
 
God has millions of heavenly sons… angelic creatures. why did he not create man to n heaven of he was meant to be with god?
Man created to live on earth and never die. God gave the earth to man… and even said that the
“Earth belongs to earthling man”
 
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MAN'S IMMORALITY OF THE BODY.

Man was created to live forever in body, soul, and spirit. Sin is the only thing that has hindered this original plan. Jesus came to restore man to his original position and greatness. Souls of all men must continue in consciousness between death and the resurrection in order to be given bodies in the resurrection ( 1 Cor. 15:35-58 ). Man thus is constituted to live forever in soul and spirit and he is promised immorality of the body. Man's creation in the image and likeness of God demands eternal existence. The eternal purpose of God for eternal man demands eternal existence. Sinners forfeit their part in the eternal plan and it is taken away from them because they refuse to have a part in it ( Matt. 25:29, 31-45; Prov. 1:22, 23; ). Even these wicked men will exist eternally as a monument of God's wrath and as an example to all coming eternal generations ( Isa. 66:22-24; Rev. 14:9-11; 20:10-15; 21:8 ).
 
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God has millions of heavenly sons… angelic creatures. why did he not create man to n heaven of he was meant to be with god?
Man created to live on earth and never die. God gave the earth to man… and even said that the
“Earth belongs to earthling man”
so, what did Jesus mean when he said that he went to prepare a place for us, that where He is, there we will be also? Can he be here on earth at this time preparing a place for us. He said that we would be where he is.
 
So the ressurection is not valid
All that die are alive in some form.

no one has cited evidence as to what the last day, ressurection day is….

Even Jesus own words said “the hour is coming when ALL of those in memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out…

But according to many comments hear, they are already out… and living somewhere, contrary to Jesus words
 
So the ressurection is not valid
All that die are alive in some form.

no one has cited evidence as to what the last day, ressurection day is….

Even Jesus own words said “the hour is coming when ALL of those in memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out…

But according to many comments hear, they are already out… and living somewhere, contrary to Jesus words
their bodies are in the grave, but not their souls. Scripture says we will have a new body, one that won't die, and it will be a body of flesh and bone. Not flesh and blood.
 
Yea good point. However who was Jesus talking to? It was His faithful apostles.

The night before he was killed Jesus told the apostles he would soon leave them, but they should not be troubled, for he was going to prepare a place for them and he would come and take them to that place when it was ready for them.

so not immediate!

Does that mean ALL go to heaven based on this comment? No? Their are two groups of people heavenly class, earthly

heaven is an invite, not automatic

I think it is 1Cor where speaks of many righteous men of faith.. Moses etc…. “Yet they did not receive the promise” that is everlasting life in heaven. Those are the meek, and classified in Rev as the great croud that will come out of the Great Tribulation or resurrected

Those that are invited to heaven by Jesus, and God who wil serve as kings and priests…in gods kingdom over the millions on earth that are righteous, and ressurected.
Those in heaven have responsibilities, not singing and floating on cloud.
They are the bride class, and Jesus the groom.

Meek inherit the earth…. ps 37.
Revelation: “little flock” , heaven, “great croud” all on earth
 
Yea good point. However who was Jesus talking to? It was His faithful apostles.

The night before he was killed Jesus told the apostles he would soon leave them, but they should not be troubled, for he was going to prepare a place for them and he would come and take them to that place when it was ready for them.

so not immediate!

Does that mean ALL go to heaven based on this comment? No? Their are two groups of people heavenly class, earthly

heaven is an invite, not automatic

I think it is 1Cor where speaks of many righteous men of faith.. Moses etc…. “Yet they did not receive the promise” that is everlasting life in heaven. Those are the meek, and classified in Rev as the great croud that will come out of the Great Tribulation or resurrected

Those that are invited to heaven by Jesus, and God who wil serve as kings and priests…in gods kingdom over the millions on earth that are righteous, and ressurected.
Those in heaven have responsibilities, not singing and floating on cloud.
They are the bride class, and Jesus the groom.

Meek inherit the earth…. ps 37.
Revelation: “little flock” , heaven, “great croud” all on earth
so you think all those men mentioned in 1Cor will not be in heaven?

If man dies and waits for the resurrection, then how was Moses and Elijab able to appear and minister to Jesus at Mt Hermon?
 
Ez 18:4 The soul who sins is the one who will die
  1. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know* that they will die,+ but the dead know nothing at all,+ nor do they have any more reward,* because all memory of them is forgotten.

Act 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection+ of both the righteous and the unrighteous

Ps 146:3-4 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish
 
the scripture says, and yet they did not get the fulfillment of the promise
note all the faithful ones of god in Heb 11 ( I thought 1Cor, mistaken)
amd then in verse 39 I says:

And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, 40 because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us

clearly the faithful are awaiting in graves for ressurection and Paul noted something better, the place Jesus prepared for them…
 
you didn't tell me how a dead Moses and a dead Elijah came and ministered to Jesus at Mt Hermon. where they raised just to minister to Jesus, and then put back in to storage until they would be raised again in on the last day? Maybe God has us all placed in a celestial freezer, to thaw us out when He needs us for a specific job, and then can put us back on ice?
 
Nice…. let me do some research on that…
early day at work tomorrow.

However in the meantime maybe u can tell me the value of Resurrection day… if there is no one to be resurrected. Is Jesus words void?

And since according to many… regardless of what we all read in the Bible about the soul dying.. the thought is the body dies but not the soul..
 
Pappy
I took some time to read Tje account I spoke of… and it was not literal…. But a vision of Moses and Elijah

In fact, note Jesus own words:

As they were descending from the mountain, Jesus commanded them: “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.”

So not frozen, but a vision.. as Jesus would not contradict the scriptures he knew so well on the dead, the soul, and other biblical teachings.
 
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