If you hunt Illinois, you are supporting Illegal Aliens and a Sanctuary State

[Crakajak]

I'm 37 and grew up in Florida where the welfare rolls are full of white people that would never touch a produce field in 101 degree heat for $9 bucks an hour. The agriculture industry in Florida would be leveled if you removed all the cheap labor.

We did this experiment here in Georgia, couldn't find any "hard working Americans" to get the work done.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realsp...rgias-immigration-law-backfires/#6102429f492a

The problem isn't what a contractor is paying for work,the problem is what the govt is paying not to work.

 

[PappyHoel]

I think it belongs right here. Obviously some hunters think there is a divide between Political policy and hunting rights. This topic is a brazen exhibition of what happens when the two cross and how most have no clue the peril their hunting rights are in by choosing to ignore politics.

I know that's right!

 

[Gbr5pb]

Amen

Remove the welfare also, and give those lazy folks incentive to work. Ta Da.

I've got a decade and then some on you, and can remember life without illegal immigrants and out-of-control welfare. And when people considered it shameful to be on welfare. I spent many, many, many days out in the hot farm fields for $2.50-$3.00 an hour. Didn't kill me.

Done all this work you can't get anyone to do back in the day!

 

[Rich M]

The post was about illegals and sanctuary states. I posted about the economic impacts of removing cheap labor. Not any of the crap you just made up.

Do a little research - you'll find it isn't made up. Chicago is in the state of Illinois. How many dead so far this year? While you are googling, check out their gun laws. Then hit the taxes.

I'm originally from one of the big welfare states - they tax the cootie out of folks. Ever pay taxes just to own a car/boat/etc. Pay $4000+ for a regular house tax. Pay 5% income tax. FL has LOW taxes.

I never saw an immigrant either - then they were everywhere. Now folks think they are part of the economy. They pay no taxes, get paid to work without workers comp, and folks ignorantly believe it is okay. The money is also sent back to mexico, not to be spent in the US which would at least put it back into circulation.

No, your apples won't increase in cost.

 

[dixiecutter]

It's Illinois. Doesn't bother me a lick. They're almost done being a state.

 

[Kujo]

Remove the welfare also, and give those lazy folks incentive to work. Ta Da.

I've got a decade and then some on you, and can remember life without illegal immigrants and out-of-control welfare. And when people considered it shameful to be on welfare. I spent many, many, many days out in the hot farm fields for $2.50-$3.00 an hour. Didn't kill me.

I'm for getting rid of ALL entitlement programs. The issue is that there is now a minimum cost to employ people. Mandatory benefits once you hit a certain number of hours per week. You go from paying $9 or $10 under the table to what costs the employer almost double that when you hire an american. Those additional costs are passed to the consumer through the price of the good or service. As with most issues, government is the problem.

 

[elfiii]

We need to bring back Operation Wetback and the Bracero program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

 

[PappyHoel]

This thread has veered off course...

What if the TV/internet hunting personalities chose to boycott Illinois because of the sanctuary policy? What if hunters chose not to buy products that those personalities are showcasing?

 

[jigman29]

This thread has veered off course...

What if the TV/internet hunting personalities chose to boycott Illinois because of the sanctuary policy? What if hunters chose not to buy products that those personalities are showcasing?

This is what it will take. Just like the boycotts of the bathroom bill in nc. You start hurting the pocketbook and then you will see a change.
I am all for immigrants being here to work if it's done legally. Do like they did years ago and bus them in during the harvest seasons and ship them back when it's over. If they can do this and stay out of trouble allow them to start a path to citizenship. I have been in construction most of my life in some way. I can tell you know the industry would collapse without them at first. But after the initial collapse the strong will rise above the rest and flourish. It will force a new way of thinking. Everyone cant be a business owner and pay day laborers cash.
I also know the government will never totally push out imigrants. Thiank of all the taxes that are payed in by them that they will never get back. My wifes uncle has a bunch working for him and he takes the same taxes out as he does for the white guys, difference is the whites will probably get to draw social security where the immigrant wont. Free money for the government.

 

[NCHillbilly]

This is what it will take. Just like the boycotts of the bathroom bill in nc. You start hurting the pocketbook and then you will see a change.
I am all for immigrants being here to work if it's done legally. Do like they did years ago and bus them in during the harvest seasons and ship them back when it's over. If they can do this and stay out of trouble allow them to start a path to citizenship. I have been in construction most of my life in some way. I can tell you know the industry would collapse without them at first. But after the initial collapse the strong will rise above the rest and flourish. It will force a new way of thinking. Everyone cant be a business owner and pay day laborers cash.
I also know the government will never totally push out imigrants. Thiank of all the taxes that are payed in by them that they will never get back. My wifes uncle has a bunch working for him and he takes the same taxes out as he does for the white guys, difference is the whites will probably get to draw social security where the immigrant wont. Free money for the government.

Except for the vast numbers of illegals with fake SS#s that belong to some citizen. You better hope you're older than your Mexican doppleganger if you plan on drawing.

 

[Deer Fanatic]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/28/illinois-republican-governor-signs-sanctuary-state-law/

anyone going to give up their deer lease on principle?

I will stick to the original question......... NO. I am heading to Illinois this weekend to hang stands and put up a few cameras then will be back in November with bow in hand.

 

[NUTT]

^^^^^^
Me too! Can't wait to get to my sanctuary.
Plus the fine folks I hunt with are good strong republicans that despise Chicago

 

[Deer Fanatic]

^^^^^^
Me too! Can't wait to get to my sanctuary.
Plus the fine folks I hunt with are good strong republicans that despise Chicago

Exactly!!! I have made lifelong friends there. We may be hunting the same ground..... my farmers absolutely hate Chicago....... and most democrats for that matter. Fine folks IMHO.

 

[Jim Boyd]

Short answer: I will not even consider leaving my leases and/or land that I simply have permission to hunt.

Second short answer: if any GON’ers have good leases in west central Illinois that you no longer want based on a knee jerk, politically motivated reaction, I would be delighted to take a look at the maps and the lease rates and perhaps take them off of your hands.

Know this: land that you let go, if it is good, will be leased within days of you letting it go. Why do you think BCL always puts the Illinois leases at the top of the email? Because it is the quickest to get gone.

Your protest, while principled, will likely really only achieve two things: make you feel better and secondly, probably deprive you of an excellent hunt this fall.

Illinois is really two states. Chicago and the surrounding counties – and then the rest of the state, which knows and understands that Chicago and the politics up there are a joke.

There is little debate that the state is in trouble financially. Chicago is as crooked and dangerous city as has ever been created in the US.

The people in the rural areas, however, are as middle of the road (Republican and Democrat) as all of the rural people in the south. They are as kind, logical and as helpful as the folks I know in the south.

So….if you would never consider hunting in Illinois or if you would give up your lease there – you may want to look at all of the other states that have sanctuary cities, or cities that are de facto sanctuary cities (like Atlanta) or states that may be considered sanctuary states:

Georgia (Atlanta has said that it remains a welcoming city for immigrants, but stops short of labeling itself a sanctuary city)
Florida – great fishing and beaches – and hey, the kids love Disney
Iowa – deer hunting dream land
Kansas - deer
Wisconsin – Buffalo County is a premier destination
Minnesota - deer
Nebraska - deer
Colorado – whitetails, mule deer, elk, skiing, you name it
New Mexico – deer and elk
Texas – deer, fishing
Louisiana – fishing

I won’t bother mentioning California and the NE states as sportsmen are not generally interested in them.

So, political rhetoric aside – are you really not going to Illinois to hunt based on one politician’s decision? Are you going to avoid all other states that have policies like Illinois?

I know exactly (God willing) where I will be on 6 November…. In one of the best deer hunting destinations on the planet - and Chicago and sanctuary cities will not be what I have on my mind.


Now.....I don't really want YOUR lease in Illinois - I want about 25-30 (or more) of us GON folks to meet at Deb and Di's in Rushville on the first Saturday in November and have a roaring good time!



Best of luck to all!

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[NCHillbilly]

Short answer: I will not even consider leaving my leases and/or land that I simply have permission to hunt.

Second short answer: if any GON’ers have good leases in west central Illinois that you no longer want based on a knee jerk, politically motivated reaction, I would be delighted to take a look at the maps and the lease rates and perhaps take them off of your hands.

Know this: land that you let go, if it is good, will be leased within days of you letting it go. Why do you think BCL always puts the Illinois leases at the top of the email? Because it is the quickest to get gone.

Your protest, while principled, will likely really only achieve two things: make you feel better and secondly, probably deprive you of an excellent hunt this fall.

Illinois is really two states. Chicago and the surrounding counties – and then the rest of the state, which knows and understands that Chicago and the politics up there are a joke.

There is little debate that the state is in trouble financially. Chicago is as crooked and dangerous city as has ever been created in the US.

The people in the rural areas, however, are as middle of the road (Republican and Democrat) as all of the rural people in the south. They are as kind, logical and as helpful as the folks I know in the south.

So….if you would never consider hunting in Illinois or if you would give up your lease there – you may want to look at all of the other states that have sanctuary cities, or cities that are de facto sanctuary cities (like Atlanta) or states that may be considered sanctuary states:

Georgia (Atlanta has said that it remains a welcoming city for immigrants, but stops short of labeling itself a sanctuary city)
Florida – great fishing and beaches – and hey, the kids love Disney
Iowa – deer hunting dream land
Kansas - deer
Wisconsin – Buffalo County is a premier destination
Minnesota - deer
Nebraska - deer
Colorado – whitetails, mule deer, elk, skiing, you name it
New Mexico – deer and elk
Texas – deer, fishing
Louisiana – fishing

I won’t bother mentioning California and the NE states as sportsmen are not generally interested in them.

So, political rhetoric aside – are you really not going to Illinois to hunt based on one politician’s decision? Are you going to avoid all other states that have policies like Illinois?

I know exactly (God willing) where I will be on 6 November…. In one of the best deer hunting destinations on the planet - and Chicago and sanctuary cities will not be what I have on my mind.


Now.....I don't really want YOUR lease in Illinois - I want about 25-30 (or more) of us GON folks to meet at Deb and Di's in Rushville on the first Saturday in November and have a roaring good time!



Best of luck to all!

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I just have absolutely no desire to set another foot in a state that has such un-American commie politics and disregard for folks' rights that I can be thrown in jail for having my pistol on me, with a CCP. The same pistol that I can legally carry in almost any other state in the country, as the 2nd Amendment says, but IL contradicts. Even IL residents have to have a license to buy or own a gun, and have to register it. My son currently lives in Illinois, is a active member of the armed forces, and can't even legally own a firearm?????!!!!!

And rifles are illegal?

Chicago may be culturally different from the rest of the state, but the same laws apply to the whole state. And if there were that many normal people there, they wouldn't keep voting in the politicians that pass all these socialist laws.

I work with several people from Illinois who have fled the state due to its draconian socialist atmosphere, and as I said, I have a son who lives there, hates it, and can't wait to leave.

If I wanted to hunt a midwest state, I would go to one that is still part of America, like Indiana.

 

[formula1]

re:

I have hunted Illinois in the past and I would do it again if I had a good place to go and of course the cash. The deer hunting is incredible and the folks in the rural areas that I have been to are as well.

Politics is not a factor in my hunting beyond the fact that I prefer to hunt with like-minded folks. I also fail to see how politics of the controlling factions of a state have anything to do with my deer hunting! If you allow that to rule you there won't many places left to go.

 

[PappyHoel]

And there you have it folks no one cares not even hunters that have a vested interest. As long as it doesn't affect you now who cares.

 

[Johnny 71]

Here's a mulligan. Try again.

I lol at this

 

[rstallings1979]

I admire principles but this is reaching. I agree that Illinois has major issues but I can promise you if they could cut the state off about 50 miles South of Chicago Illinois residents will do that in a heart beat. They hate Chicago. Our lease owners and the guys who let us hunt for free are all good people trying to make a living. They were born and raised in the area and own land there. They cannot afford to just up and move just like I can't afford to up and move from my current situation. They have even apologized to us profusely for the prior president and some of his actions.

I am not political at all and I will say I do not agree with some of the actions and rhetoric that our current president uses. I will also say I am not going to stop going to Illinois because the state is manipulated by a metropolis in the northern part of the state when the rest of the state has beauty, good deer, and decent people. One of the prettiest towns I ever visited was Peoria Illinois. It was beautiful in the fall. Its built right on the river and seemed to be thriving as well. Their legislation is controlled out of Chicago of course and its full of corruption but they cannot control it unfortunately due to one single fact...numbers. There are more of them up there than in another other part of the state.

In any case I leave for Illinois tomorrow evening. I will still spend my money at the hotel, diner, and gas stations while I am there. The business owners need the money just like everyone else. If your principles are that strong and you want to give up a good lease let me know. We should really be praying for their state, our own state, and our country to hopefully get on track and do what is right.

 

[Kujo]

Hunting license revenue goes towards wildlife conservation. I don't see how depriving IL of wildlife conservation funds sends a message to the politicians that rule the concrete in Chigago.