500% Tax on Guns and Ammo

Duckhawk

Banned
In speech after speech, Barack Obama has claimed he would "uphold the Second Amendment." Mr. Obama, of course, is a polished speaker who says "words matter." But records matter more. And while Mr. Obama is short on experience on most issues, he's long on anti-gun votes and even longer on rhetoric. Now's a good time to review both.

One of Mr. Obama's first statements on the issue really said it all. During his first run for the Illinois Senate in 1996, Mr. Obama said on a candidate questionnaire that he supported legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." When challenged about the questionnaire earlier this year, Mr. Obama blamed others, saying his campaign staff had filled out the questionnaire incorrectly. (Unfortunately for that story, a version of the questionnaire later appeared bearing Mr. Obama's own handwriting.)

Questionnaires aside, Mr. Obama has supported handgun bans even when they trap people who defend themselves. In a 2003 case, a resident of Wilmette, Ill., used a handgun to defend himself from a burglar with a drug habit and a long criminal record, breaking into his home for the second day in a row. Though authorities found the shooting justified, the armed citizen was charged with possessing a handgun in violation of Wilmette's handgun ban.

Illinois lawmakers proposed legislation that would make self-defense an "affirmative defense" against prosecution for handgun possession in towns like Wilmette. Mr. Obama voted four times against the measure, which passed over his opposition, and over a veto by Illinois' anti-gun governor, Rod Blagojevich, a long-time Obama ally.

Self-defense at home or outside the home - it's all just as bad to Mr. Obama.

In 2004, he said he was "consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry," and that he'd back "federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement." Mr. Obama had already put that anti-self-defense belief into action in 2001, voting against a state Senate bill that would have allowed people who receive protective orders - such as domestic violence victims - to carry firearms. Why? Because, in Mr. Obama's world, "authorizing potential victims to carry firearms would potentially lead to a more dangerous rather than less dangerous situation … It was a bad idea and I'm glad it failed," he said.

Mr. Obama also claims he's no threat to hunters.

But in 2005, he voted for a ban on all but the smallest rifle ammunition used for hunting (or for anything else). If the measure had passed, it would have classified most rifle ammunition beyond the low-powered .22 caliber as "armor piercing ammunition," prohibited for civilian manufacture by federal law. The ammunition ban was hardly Mr. Obama's first act against hunters, either. In 1999, Mr. Obama proposed increasing firearm and ammunition excise taxes by 500 percent. Right now, a rifle that a manufacturer sells for $500 carries an excise tax of $55. Under Mr. Obama's proposal, that amount would rocket to $330. This would turn a tax willingly paid by sportsmen, which funds many of our wildlife conservation programs, into a tool to punish gun buyers.

Also, while Mr. Obama promises hunters, "I will not take your shotgun away," his votes tell a different story.

In 2003, while serving on the Illinois state Senate's Judiciary Committee, Mr. Obama voted for a bill that would have banned (as so-called "semi-automatic assault weapons") most single-shot and double-barreled shotguns, along with hundreds of models of rifles and handguns. If the bill had passed, any Illinois resident who possessed one of these guns 90 days after legislation went into effect, would have faced felony charges. What was that about not taking shotguns away?

As if voting for anti-gun plans wasn't bad enough, Mr. Obama also helped pay for them. He was a board member from 1994 to 2001 of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation, which is the largest source of funding for radical anti-gun groups in the country. On Mr. Obama's watch, Joyce donated $18.6 million to approximately 80 anti-gun efforts, including $1.5 million to the Violence Policy Center, the nation's most aggressive gun-prohibitionist group. Many of the Joyce Foundation's projects were aimed at editing the Second Amendment out of the Constitution.

But an Obama Supreme Court could do that more directly. Mr. Obama has said he would not have nominated Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. It was Justice Scalia who wrote the majority opinion in D.C. v. Heller, which declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, and that D.C.'s handgun ban is unconstitutional. Justice Thomas joined in that opinion. As a member of the U.S. Senate, Mr. Obama also voted against confirming Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, both of whom joined Justice Scalia's majority opinion in Heller. That means four of the five pro-freedom votes on the Supreme Court would not have been there under an Obama presidency.

This is the real Barack Obama. This record matches the attitude Mr. Obama revealed when he said rural Pennsylvanians are "bitter" and "cling to guns." This record matches what you would expect to emerge from a Chicago political machine where an unrepentant terrorist is "respectable" and "mainstream."

Finally, with no way to run from his record, Mr. Obama resorts to the ultimate political dodge. Does he support gun registration? "I don't think that we can get that done." Banning guns? "I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress."

These efforts to ease gun owners' fears should make any gun owner ask, "Wait … why is he counting all these votes already?" Instead of this not-so-reassuring rhetoric, gun owners deserve the truth. And the truth is clear: Barack Obama would be the most anti-gun president in history - bar none.
 

jwalker

Senior Member
The way I see it is whats good for the goose is good for the gander... I think his guards should be armed with tomatoes to use in his defence when he goes outside to smoke a cigarette but nooooooo he has his protection and has no need to use a weapon the heck with the rest of us. Sounds like a good way to give the terrorist the upper hand. What better way to destroy the United States than from the inside out.
 

Player4211

Senior Member
I believe it was England where guns were banned and there crime rate went up over 40%. You think people would learn. The old saying is Guns Dont Kill People; People Kill People. If someone is going to hurt someone they will find there means no matter what.
 

jwalker

Senior Member
I believe it was England where guns were banned and there crime rate went up over 40%. You think people would learn. The old saying is Guns Dont Kill People; People Kill People. If someone is going to hurt someone they will find there means no matter what.

Could you imagine being charged with a felony for defending your family against a thug with a gun. This guy did not get my vote and others will wish they had not voted for him either after they see what kind of monster he is.
 

Luke0927

Senior Member
Thank God Chamblis won the senate but i say there will be scarry times ahead.....espesical with Michael Steele as head of the republicans Don't know if you can even trust them now.....

From Michaels own mouth.....

Q: Should people have access to buy assault weapons?

A: Society should draw lines. What do you need an assault weapon for, if you're going hunting? That's overkill. But I don't think that means you go to a total ban for those who want to use gun for skeet shooting or hunting or things like that But what's the point of passing gun laws if we're not going to enforce them? If you want to talk about gun control, that's where you need to start. We've got 300 gun laws on the books right now. At the end of the day, it's about how we enforce the law.

the 2nd amendment is not about hunting.....so would he support the AWB again? Sounds like he didn't want to be to straight with the people.


http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Michael_Steele_Gun_Control.htm
 

Larry Rooks

Senior Member
The TRUE definition of a Politition---PAID PROFESSIONAL
LIER---There ain't more han one out of 100 that has ever told the truth about anything. They tell ya what you want to hear then laugh at you for beleiving them. I agree with
above, disarm Obama's security force, let em protect him
with nothing more than their bare knuckles:bounce:banana:
 

Tenkiller

Senior Member
I may be eating these words but i don't think Obama's advisors will let him do anything stupid like a 500% increase, there are A LOT of registered voters out there that are gun owners and it would really hurt his chances of re-election. I didn't vote for him this time nor will i vote for him next time and i pray i'm right about this, can you imagine paying $150 for a box of ammo?
 

whitworth

Senior Member
Of Course, Obama will be protected by . . .

the same folks who defended Bush from the Shoe attack. So he can do anything he wants.

In England where there is a severe gun ban, you better be a good knife fighter.
 

jonboy

Senior Member
You guys may be right but i don't see anything happening anytime soon b/c he has much bigger problems now like fixing the ECONOMY. He may try his 2nd term that is if he gets reelected!!!
 

jonsey

Senior Member
I may be eating these words but i don't think Obama's advisors will let him do anything stupid like a 500% increase, there are A LOT of registered voters out there that are gun owners and it would really hurt his chances of re-election. I didn't vote for him this time nor will i vote for him next time and i pray i'm right about this, can you imagine paying $150 for a box of ammo?


Buy it cheap and stack it deep.
 

gtparts

Senior Member
Check out the crime results from the more recent gun laws in Australia, too.



WND
Crime up Down Under
Since Australia's gun ban, armed robberies increase 45%
Posted: March 03, 2000
1:00 am Eastern

By Jon E. Dougherty
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304

Jon E. Dougherty is a Missouri-based writer and the author of "Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border."
 
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