Science Saturday

[ambush80]

This is a great interview with one of my favorite scientists, David Deutsch. At 10:25 "I became a science writer.....[because] it's the most powerful way to understand ourselves and understanding all of reality".

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[ambush80]

At around 21:50.

"The Earth is moving at 1,000 MPH around its axis".

It's so interesting to me that this kind of information could lead someone away from superstition or equally towards it. The thought that this giant ball of rock and iron is hurtling through the solar system at high speeds with us on it, living, loving, fishing, eating, dying, breeding, pet owning, art making, discussing, all the while not even realizing that this ball of rock is actually in scale SO tiny and moving at such unremarkable speeds makes me see how one could be astonished and overwhelmed to the point of believing that there might be some kind of mystical force at work. Then I think of how the world must have seemed to people that didn't know that washing your hands can keep you from getting sick. How much more mysterious could the world have seemed to them and how much more important would they have thought themselves?

I just can't see how when faced with the knowledge of how much we DON"T know that anyone could say "This is how the world works: There is this Guy and he is in charge and he wants you to cut the tip of your pee pee off and he told this to some guys 2,000 years ago that didn't know what red blood cells are". It dawns on me that it's actually hubris to think that God is "like us" (that's the logical conclusion from "We are made in the image of God"). We are squares and God is also a square but way more bigly. The squarest of all squares.

Deutsch has a way of putting things in perspective that truly humbles me.

 

[Israel]

The deal breaker for some remains...consciousness. Once the "thing" of whatever magnitude is found to humble a man, once it is attributed consciousness...Katy bar the doors.

But even the believer (maybe specifically the believer(?)...) has some inkling "this consciousness ain't like the one I have known...of myself...or in myself" Whatever metric one wants to use as to quality...or quantity...this consciousness is indeed "bigger"...and also different...but neither to such an extent that it is not to be related to.
Yeah...you come to realize "if this consciousness don't wanna be found it won't"...and likewise "if it's perceived at all, it's only because it has willed itself to be so"

But here's the trippiest part.

It's no different between people. The things everyone thinks...they know so well.

 

[atlashunter]

God is indeed like us. For an obvious reason.

 

[matt79brown]

Believer or unbeliever we all still got more questions than answers, doesn't matter if your David Deutsch or King Solomon.

 

[atlashunter]

Believer or unbeliever we all still got more questions than answers, doesn't matter if your David Deutsch or King Solomon.

That’s true. Also true that science has a far greater track record of providing truthful answers to questions.

 

[WaltL1]

Believer or unbeliever we all still got more questions than answers, doesn't matter if your David Deutsch or King Solomon.

That's pretty much exactly our (A/As) position.

 

[WaltL1]

"atlashunter, post: 11242162, member: 34470"]God is indeed like us. For an obvious reason.

To me, this is a GIGANTIC piece of evidence.
We can even acknowledge the possibility that there could be a "something" out there but its no coincidence that man (Christianity) has defined that something to be "like" man.

 

[660griz]

God made man in his own image, and man returned the favour. --Frank Wedekind

 

[ambush80]

The deal breaker for some remains...consciousness. Once the "thing" of whatever magnitude is found to humble a man, once it is attributed consciousness...Katy bar the doors.

But even the believer (maybe specifically the believer(?)...) has some inkling "this consciousness ain't like the one I have known...of myself...or in myself" Whatever metric one wants to use as to quality...or quantity...this consciousness is indeed "bigger"...and also different...but neither to such an extent that it is not to be related to.
Yeah...you come to realize "if this consciousness don't wanna be found it won't"...and likewise "if it's perceived at all, it's only because it has willed itself to be so"

But here's the trippiest part.

It's no different between people. The things everyone thinks...they know so well.

It's about evidence. Everyone know gravity quite well. They think they know about it and they actually do.

 

[1eyefishing]

There are many questions that science cannot answer.

 

[bullethead]

There are many questions that science cannot answer.

Yet how can individuals positively answer some of the questions that science cannot regarding religious matters?

 

[ambush80]

There are many questions that science cannot answer.

Like what? What method would better to try to answer them?

 

[ambush80]

Deutsch says that the only thing that prevents us from being able to do anything is lack of knowledge. I thin that might be true. I can't seem to defeat his argument.

 

[1eyefishing]

Yet how can individuals positively answer some of the questions that science cannot regarding religious matters?

Some people know how to turn Faith and Hope and belief into knowledge. I do not believe in this kind of religious Alchemy.

 

[1eyefishing]

Like what? What method would better to try to answer them?

So far, science has not been able to answer the question is there a God? Or is there an afterlife? Is there a ****? Is there a heaven?
The entire study of philosophy is about questions that cannot be answered.
I believe there are many questions that cannot be answered by any method as far as that goes. Except maybe by death and experience after that. Which cannot be communicated back to those in this world. So we'll never know.

 

[ambush80]

So far, science has not been able to answer the question is there a God? Or is there an afterlife? Is there a ****? Is there a heaven?
The entire study of philosophy is about questions that cannot be answered.
I believe there are many questions that cannot be answered by any method as far as that goes. Except maybe by death and experience after that. Which cannot be communicated back to those in this world. So we'll never know.

I'll catch up with this later.

 

[lagrangedave]

Physics has you answer........

 

[1eyefishing]

Physics has you answer........

Psychics think they know everything...?

 

[Israel]

It's about evidence. Everyone know gravity quite well. They think they know about it and they actually do.

Really?

But I was talking about relationships of consciousness...even between men.
Or man, in the generic sense. There's a whole lot more cookin' in there, than meets the eye. Even the pot doesn't often recognize its own stew.

But, if you're the guy who never said to himself..."wow, where did that come from?" of some thought or desire, then I should either be paying more attention to you than I already am, or just laughing with you as I do at myself as "that man" that thinks he knows himself "quite well".