What are your thoughts on this piece?

Madsnooker

Senior Member
There are many many players that are starting to write the same type of pieces about Tressel. I know there is no excuse for him trying to deal with the wrong doings of a few and he should have never lied.

But I hear lots of people saying he is a fruad and has been cheating all along. Facts are starting to show that maybe there is not wide spread benifits being given out that Tressel was behind or just turned a blind eye.

If this was true It seems current and former players would not say the things they are saying now about his integrety. Even the QB from Youngstown that broke many rules and AT THE TIME tried to blame Tressel just as Clarret did has come out and said Tressel never really knew anything about his transgressions, and even after he threw Tressel under the bus back then, Tressel still tried to mentor him and he is forever greatfull to this day and has said he feels he could never right the wrong he did to Tressel. By the way, Clarret has basically said the same thing about Tressel.

Anyway, this is what a former player(Jon Thoma) said about his coach in a piece he wrote in Thoma Times today.

"n Defense of My Coach
It is always sad to see a hero fall. It has happened to me a few times, and for a few different reasons. Mario Lemieux was taken from the game of hockey as he reached his prime to battle illness. Tiger Woods lived a double life and is now a shell of the man who used to make the world shake with the reverberating roars of galleries across America. Those were my sporting heroes.

Men who stood at the pinnacle of their respective professions and made a legitimate difference in people’s lives.

I thought that watching them lose their air of invincibility would be the hardest way to see a career end. I thought that I would never feel so hopeless again, because I would never be as young and impressionable as I was when I let these men become such a large part of my life. Then again, I thought Jim Tressel was invincible.

Let me start by saying that I will not blame my teammates for any of this. Am I mad at them? Yes. I am mad as Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ---- at them for some of their actions. I am furious they cast aside our symbols of brotherhood and victory for a few hundred dollars. Those rings and Gold Pants were supposed to remind us forever of what we were a part of. Those rings were supposed to clank off of each other as we shook hands at our 2010 Rose Bowl Champs 25th anniversary banquet. Those rings were a part of our legacy to be carried on to our grandchildren as they looked at us in our rocking chairs and wondered how in the world we used to be champion athletes.

But who am I to tell someone what is important? Show an 18-year-old some money and give him some power, and you have a recipe for disaster. Put yourself in their shoes and tell me you would be able to resist temptation. You can’t. Tell an 18-year-old that he is the greatest enough times, and he will believe you. It comes with the territory.

Coach Tressel made the choice to try to account for his young players’ transgressions and move forward into the season with one of his most talented teams ever. It’s a choice he now undoubtedly regrets.

In my brief time at the top level of the amateur game, I learned one thing to be true without fail: If you succeed, people will hate you. And if people hate you, they will try to bring you down. Look at Auburn. If they went 2-4 through their first six games, would jealous Mississippi State boosters have come out of the woodwork to rat out Cam Newton? Fat chance. And along those lines, there is an even fatter chance that both Gene Chizik and Cam himself knew nothing of Cecil’s plan to shop his son. Examples are abundant. Bob Stoops knew nothing about the tens of thousands of dollars Rhett Bomar took for working a no-show job? Yeah, and I’m dating Beyonce. Dig deep enough anywhere you want, you’re eventually going to hit the dirt.

The difference is that when the others got caught, there was no proof. Coach Tressel reached out to people he thought may have an influence on future decisions made by the players (the quarterback’s “mentor”), and in doing so, sealed his own fate. The nail in his own coffin came in the form of a concerned e-mail.

Do I think Coach Tress was in the dark about the alleged ongoing violations by his players? No way. I always thought that man knew everything. My freshman year he approached me, a mere walk-on back-up punter, and asked me how my parents and two sisters were doing. He referred to them all by name! We had about 120 players on the team and he knew every person in all 120 immediate families. He knew because he cared.

He made a promise to our families to take care of us and he did everything in his power to fulfill that promise. He made us read books that would help us in life, write reports about those books, and present them to the team. The first thing we did every day was reflect and pray. There were constant reminders about how lucky we were to be playing a game for a free education and a chance at a better life. He made us sit through hours of brutal meetings with the compliance office almost every week. Believe me, we all knew what was legal and what was not legal. He brought lawyers and policemen in to warn us about the dangers of drunk driving, nightlife, and hanging out with the wrong people. He put us in hospitals to interact with patients, and introduced us to the military.

He taught us that there was more to being an Ohio State football player than just football.

We had a responsibility to present ourselves in a positive way, as we were representatives of so many things so much bigger than ourselves. Apparently, some of us could not handle that honor.

To some of us, there were different priorities, and becoming a man under the watchful eye of millions around the world was too much. George Dohrmann from Sports Illustrated suggested that Jim Tressel lost control of his football team. Quite the contrary. The Ohio State Football culture took over Columbus. Coach was the only reason there WAS any control on this football team. Ask the troubled former receiver. Ask the star quarterback. Our mistakes occurred away from his watchful eye.

Our mistakes had nothing to do with Jim Tressel.

Coach Tressel had one goal for each and every one of his players. He wanted to put us in the best position possible to succeed. Both on the field and off. He taught us that complacency was not an option, and that we could only be the best men that we could be if we learned every single day. He taught us everything he could, and gave us resources to learn what he could not teach us.

I want to look him in the eyes and thank him for the chance he gave me. I want to thank him for the life I live today and the doors he opened for me along the way. I want to thank him for introducing me to BuckeyeNation. I want to thank him for my rings and for my gold pants. I want to thank him for allowing me to live my dream and for the happiest moments of my young life.

He always said, “On your best days be great. On your worst days, be good. Every other day, get better.” Let’s just say that today, the Ohio State community is only good. But thanks to our Coach, we will always be better. Go Bucks!"

Anyway, it just seems hard for me to believe that these players, that know everything on the inside, would write such things if it were all a lie.:huh:
 

rhbama3

Administrator
Staff member
I don't think Tressel is a cheat in any way. I think he is like many coaches that concentrate so hard on the x's and o's of football that he had no idea what a few of his players had gotten into. In trying to deal with issues he hadn't faced before, he made some bad decisions and was toast.
 

Madsnooker

Senior Member
I don't think Tressel is a cheat in any way. I think he is like many coaches that concentrate so hard on the x's and o's of football that he had no idea what a few of his players had gotten into. In trying to deal with issues he hadn't faced before, he made some bad decisions and was toast.

That is what I initially believed, than as more came out, I started believing what the haters had to say, and then thought maybe he is a fraud. Now its starting to look like it might not be near as big of a story as Espin or SI would have you believe and it really is just about the tat5 and maybe a few more which wouldn't surprise me. There is no doubt Tressel lied and he paid dearly for it. I'm starting to believe he is a very good man that is who 99% of the players that have plyed for him say he is. For whatever reason he felt he could deal with this problem internally to protect his players and also their season and he made a bad mistake. The sad thing is if we could see everything the ones bashing him the hardest on message boards or in the media have done in secret over the last 10 years, we would be screaming hypocrite louder than they are.

Maybe there is much more, I don't know, but at this point, it's just turning into a very sad story for a man that tried to do so much more for his players than just teach them about football.
 

irishleprechaun

Senior Member
Unfortunately it is a reflection of our society in general. The old days of it's not whether you win or lose it's how you play the game are nearly gone. Integrity, honesty and grace have been replaced with winning at all cost. Greed and corruption have been the downfall of many great civilizations. I hope this corrects itself, over our history it seems that a few of these "ugly corrections" occur. See Chicago Blacksocks or SMU football....
 

Dudley Do-Wrong

Senior Member
Here's the thing (IMO), you can do a million things right and hardly anyone will remember because that's what is expected. But, do one thing wrong and get caught, it's what you will be most remembered for.

Snook,you hit the nail on the head when you said "he should have never lied"; but, not only did he lie, he covered up and that is what is most likely going to cost OSU. Tressel was a university official and the moment he lied and covered up, the university became at fault.
 

Madsnooker

Senior Member
Unfortunately it is a reflection of our society in general. The old days of it's not whether you win or lose it's how you play the game are nearly gone. Integrity, honesty and grace have been replaced with winning at all cost. Greed and corruption have been the downfall of many great civilizations. I hope this corrects itself, over our history it seems that a few of these "ugly corrections" occur. See Chicago Blacksocks or SMU football....

I'm not sure how you can compare this situation with the Blacksocks or SMU football. Nothing has come out that shows OSU has major boosters and university officials giving 5k handshakes and setting up deals for recriuts and players. We have a some players selling their own stuff for spending money and tats and then the coach withheld information as he tried to handle it internally. Thats hardly in the same league. This started a which hunt by media outlets that got out of control but none of the additional stuff they are trying to make stick has.:huh: Maybe some of it will we just don't know yet.
 

irishleprechaun

Senior Member
My point is that we now try to justify degrees of cheating and lying. So a 5k handshake is worse than free car benefits or selling memorabilia for thousands? At the end of the day if it was all sensationalism then why did tressel resign?

Either you cheat or you don't...I wasn't brought up that certain types of cheating were ok when compared to others...

The media is always looking for a story, they are certainly part of the problem. After all, 24 hour sports outlets need some type of hype to attract viewers....

I don't think OSU is doing anything different than probably 20 other programs across the country...unfortunately
 

bullgator

Senior Member
College athletics, especially football, is so competetive and at the same time comes with very high expectations of the bigger schools, these things are almost bound to happen. I know we like to jump on other schools when they cross the line but let's face it, we're all just holding our breath and being thankful it wasn't our school........this time!. The programs are always flirting with being out of bounds and sometimes they just step over the line. The question is whether things are done intentionally or not.
 

RipperIII

Senior Member
Some one mentioned "the good old days"...when were they?
My Grandfather was a sports editor for two well known newspapers and I can distinctly remember him speaking of all sorts of chicanery practiced way back in the 20's...in most popular sports, football, baseball, boxing, ponies etc.,...nothing new at all, bookies and boards have been around since before the Romans...just saying, in fact, I would venture to say that things are generally less corrupt than in previous times.
 

LanierSpots

Senior Member
Some one mentioned "the good old days"...when were they?
My Grandfather was a sports editor for two well known newspapers and I can distinctly remember him speaking of all sorts of chicanery practiced way back in the 20's...in most popular sports, football, baseball, boxing, ponies etc.,...nothing new at all, bookies and boards have been around since before the Romans...just saying, in fact, I would venture to say that things are generally less corrupt than in previous times.


I agree with you. Not much has changed. We just have better ways of catching the indiscretions now and we have a major media outlet to get the information out. If something little happens, a billion people have access to that information within 10 mins. By computer, TV, phone, ipad, etc etc..

I dont believe there are more indiscretions now than there ever has been... We just know about every little one of them now.

I also believe our society has changed a little. We have basically two sides. One side is the athlete and followers who make mistakes. Then we have
the "fans or people" who are out there and are ready to hang to the death anyone who makes any mistake. If any athlete makes any type of mistake
now, he is branded forever and is hated to the death. No matter what type of mistake it is or how he rebounds from it. Of course unless he is one of YOUR favorites. Then it is excused.



There are no "good old days". There are just "days" and they are not much different.
 

Madsnooker

Senior Member
My point is that we now try to justify degrees of cheating and lying. So a 5k handshake is worse than free car benefits or selling memorabilia for thousands? At the end of the day if it was all sensationalism then why did tressel resign?

Either you cheat or you don't...I wasn't brought up that certain types of cheating were ok when compared to others...

The media is always looking for a story, they are certainly part of the problem. After all, 24 hour sports outlets need some type of hype to attract viewers....

I don't think OSU is doing anything different than probably 20 other programs across the country...unfortunately

Actually that's not true, free cars are just as bad as 5k handshakes. Not sure what info you have that might suggest OSU set up free cars or even any free cars no matter who set it up. Again, the car issue continues to not get legs and the more factual info That comes out, the more it suggests just what the NCAA has said they already found in the previous car deals, NO rules broken. As I continue to say though, that is up to this point.

I will agree that, if you want to generalize it, yes, a sin is a sin. The problem is, that is not how the law works. If I rob a store, I get a harsher penalty than if I drive my car without my seatbelt on. Again, to even put OSU in the same breath as SMU is rediculous, AT THIS POINT. Maybe you were not implying that as well that was just how I read it.
 
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