buckpasser
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My son achieved his first DRT this year with a high shoulder on a nice 8pt with his .243 in 95g coppers. I love trailing them up, but that was a good feeling too.
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Which would you pick? 300BLK vs .243
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My son achieved his first DRT this year with a high shoulder on a nice 8pt with his .243 in 95g coppers. I love trailing them up, but that was a good feeling too.
GregoryB.
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Y’all going to make me go buy another 243 with all this talk. A high grade Low Wall would be nice.
menhadenman
Senior Member
Which model are we talking about???
Tikka is making a 1:8 twist 243 now… 20” bbl suppressed with 105s would be cats meow.
GregoryB.
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This !!!!!!!!!
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menhadenman
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Man you gonna show that on a Friday night!
GregoryB.
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A little temptation for those who like to drink and surf/shop.
menhadenman
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I’m glad you didn’t put the link up… I was definitely drankin and may have accidentally hit “buy now”
SC Hunter
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I've been guilty of said drankin and surfing and buying before. It's always fun! Hahaha
menhadenman
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Even better when the wife asks what you bought when a box shows up… and you can’t remember
GunnSmokeer
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The OP's son is six years old.
6.
Six.
So, forget what's the best non-magnum rifle caliber for a big grown man to hunt deer with.
What's the best rifle and caliber for a SMALL CHILD to hunt deer with?
I say it's the one with the lowest recoil and the least noise that can still reliably kill deer. Accuracy is far more important than kinetic energy.
And the kid's unlikely to ever have good accuracy if he develops a flinch from shooting a .243, .270, or any other caliber based on the 308 or 30-06 parent cases. Even if the recoil isn't bad IF THE RIFLE IS HEAVY ENOUGH, those calibers are scary LOUD.
6.
Six.
So, forget what's the best non-magnum rifle caliber for a big grown man to hunt deer with.
What's the best rifle and caliber for a SMALL CHILD to hunt deer with?
I say it's the one with the lowest recoil and the least noise that can still reliably kill deer. Accuracy is far more important than kinetic energy.
And the kid's unlikely to ever have good accuracy if he develops a flinch from shooting a .243, .270, or any other caliber based on the 308 or 30-06 parent cases. Even if the recoil isn't bad IF THE RIFLE IS HEAVY ENOUGH, those calibers are scary LOUD.
GunnSmokeer
Senior Member
QUOTE:
I have a nearly identical gun in 300BLK that's suppressed with a much better scope.
YEP, THERE'S YOUR ANSWER RIGHT THERE.
I have a nearly identical gun in 300BLK that's suppressed with a much better scope.
YEP, THERE'S YOUR ANSWER RIGHT THERE.
menhadenman
Senior Member
You make a good point @GunnSmokeer and I don’t think he could go wrong either way.
I have three kids in elementary that all started shooting at 3-4 years old. We have a lot of light recoil stuff from 300s, 223, 243, 25-06, 6.5s and also cans to keep noise down.
The reason I suggested the 243 is because @ssramage stated his son has shot it over a few range sessions and is “ready.” The 243 has much flatter trajectory (more forgiving on distance calls) and is a deer killing machine. The recoil on both guns are still under 9 ft-lbs, less than half of an ‘06.
Not to say the blackout is a bad choice, especially inside 50 yds, I just prefer to let me kids hunt with rifles they’ve practiced with and shown proficiency.
Also on the sound - the $35 electronic Walker muffs are great for the kids in the blind. I can still whisper to them while they have ear protection. We still use regular muffs when target practicing.
Another suggestion: those Bog death grip tripods are great for kids. They’re heavy as all get out but I use one in the blind to give them a steadier shot and it’s easy for us to both look through the scope without passing a loaded rifle around. Safe and accurate for the kid.
Good luck either way @ssramage the important thing is you’re getting the young man out in the woods and thinking carefully about your options. Keep us posted on the young man’s hunt!
I have three kids in elementary that all started shooting at 3-4 years old. We have a lot of light recoil stuff from 300s, 223, 243, 25-06, 6.5s and also cans to keep noise down.
The reason I suggested the 243 is because @ssramage stated his son has shot it over a few range sessions and is “ready.” The 243 has much flatter trajectory (more forgiving on distance calls) and is a deer killing machine. The recoil on both guns are still under 9 ft-lbs, less than half of an ‘06.
Not to say the blackout is a bad choice, especially inside 50 yds, I just prefer to let me kids hunt with rifles they’ve practiced with and shown proficiency.
Also on the sound - the $35 electronic Walker muffs are great for the kids in the blind. I can still whisper to them while they have ear protection. We still use regular muffs when target practicing.
Another suggestion: those Bog death grip tripods are great for kids. They’re heavy as all get out but I use one in the blind to give them a steadier shot and it’s easy for us to both look through the scope without passing a loaded rifle around. Safe and accurate for the kid.
Good luck either way @ssramage the important thing is you’re getting the young man out in the woods and thinking carefully about your options. Keep us posted on the young man’s hunt!
Railroader
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This is just me, but the .350 Legend is a great starter deer round.
Also again just me, a kid has no business with any "deer rifle" in their hands until they already know how to shoot.
A few thousand .22's worth is where to start. The kid will love shooting, and think it's a whole lotta fun.
Then it's just adding a bit of recoil and blast to an already solid base of knowledge.
My grand boys go thru .22's by the case, and at 11 and 8 you can hand them any deer rifle you got and they'll bust a snuff can at 100 off sandbags.
This comes from a whole lotta shooting, since they could hold a Daisy Pal.
Again, this is just how I do it, but it works...
Also again just me, a kid has no business with any "deer rifle" in their hands until they already know how to shoot.
A few thousand .22's worth is where to start. The kid will love shooting, and think it's a whole lotta fun.
Then it's just adding a bit of recoil and blast to an already solid base of knowledge.
My grand boys go thru .22's by the case, and at 11 and 8 you can hand them any deer rifle you got and they'll bust a snuff can at 100 off sandbags.
This comes from a whole lotta shooting, since they could hold a Daisy Pal.
Again, this is just how I do it, but it works...
WaltL1
Senior Member
Ive used them for years too. 140gr 6.5x55 and never had a reason to change.
Rarely had an exit but I didnt much care when the deer only take a step or two and fall down dead. I will say that I am very particular about the shots I will take so that probably plays a role too.
Liberty
Senior Member
Sounds like we run the same program. I make mine “qualify” with a rifle before he is allowed to hunt with it.
My kid hated the 243. He always preferred the 257 Roberts. Both rifles 20” barrels and very light. Didn’t like the muzzle blast of the 243 and didn’t think there was a difference otherwise. 115 ballistic tips 120 partitions or 100 tsxs all worked for him and me out of it. All inside now are the ballistic tips but I still have some partitions and tsx to load.
About to turn 20 -He still loves that rifle , and a 223 I (had joe collier) put together for him out of Remington rifle parts
Take all of that in the context of the choice offered and it’s 243 all the way.
May as well send him out with a muzzle loader as the 300bo
buckpasser
Senior Member
You done much deer hunting with a .300blk?
Zero. But I ahot bunch at paper out of one of the model 7s at a KD range… It just is what it is. A dog. A one trick
Pony with a kind of underwhelming trick- but One witha lot of GWOT era hype attached may as well send the kid witha muzzle loader.
Now if you absolutely positively need to shoot deer in the back yard in vinings, and not be detected and not have a pass though make it into the neighbors dining room- grab that sweet shooting rig and have at it.
Or say- god forbid a 2 year old buck jumps through the bay window in the dining room and you need to whack him without fear of sending a bullet into the wife’s sewing room, adjacent, better grab that black out.
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